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TSwizzle
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Whose whining about socialism ? Certainly not me.
Most people who who get this "lethal" virus don't even know they have it. A virus so lethal that you need a test to figure out if you have it. How many people will die because they were unable to get treatment or screened for cancer ? Was their sacrifice worth it to save those 90 year old nuns with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana skin ? Curve was flattened, hospitals were never overwhelmed other than in a few metropolitan areas. And there is even less chance of them being overwhelmed now.
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Thanks to the soft shutdown.
This is not known yet. 1% dead, 3% serious hospitalizations. 3% of America is not a trivial number to try to hospitalize.
Anecdotally, I know one guy in Houston that can't get a procedure to deal with skin cancer because there are no beds available. That was three weeks ago. When a person can't get medical care because of some other disease, then it is a problem.
Hospitals in Florida are shifting regular beds to ICU beds because they ran out of their standard ICU beds. That means this isn't some bullshit nothing burger.
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7% of resolved cases are resolved by the death of the patient.
That's partly due to the fact that recovery takes longer after infection than death does; But it strongly suggests that the "1% of cases resulted in death" figure is misleading. 1% so far isn't the same thing at all.
Case fatality rate is (deaths)/(deaths + recoveries), not (deaths)/(diagnoses).
That's partly due to the fact that recovery takes longer after infection than death does; But it strongly suggests that the "1% of cases resulted in death" figure is misleading. 1% so far isn't the same thing at all.
Case fatality rate is (deaths)/(deaths + recoveries), not (deaths)/(diagnoses).
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Seems this topic has strayed off a bit.
It look like we will be able to take our usual vacation to our place in Maine. Visitors to Maine from Massachusetts need to quarantine for 14 days or get a C19 negative test result. We found a place on the way that for $25 each we can get the 15 minute rapid results test. We have our testing times reserved and paid for.
My daughter is a college freshman this fall. Dorms are to be 50% capacity and no room mates. She was among the luck 50% to get a room.
My high school junior will likely be remote this fall.
My other High school graduate is taking a gap year. I have no idea if he has any plans other than sit around the house. If that's his plan then I can think up a lot of chores for him to earn his keep.
It look like we will be able to take our usual vacation to our place in Maine. Visitors to Maine from Massachusetts need to quarantine for 14 days or get a C19 negative test result. We found a place on the way that for $25 each we can get the 15 minute rapid results test. We have our testing times reserved and paid for.
My daughter is a college freshman this fall. Dorms are to be 50% capacity and no room mates. She was among the luck 50% to get a room.
My high school junior will likely be remote this fall.
My other High school graduate is taking a gap year. I have no idea if he has any plans other than sit around the house. If that's his plan then I can think up a lot of chores for him to earn his keep.
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FYI, nuns don't just sit in church and pray. I know, because - again, - a family member was part of the convent. As my sister wrote when she shared the story:
You apparently feel they were expendable, a reason to make a sick joke, and an excuse to complain about a governor you don't like. And it isn't just old nuns who are dying. As I mentioned in another thread, a friend of mine's wife died last week from the virus. Do you think that's funny as well?
Here's part of what he had to say:
I bet that sounds hilarious to you.
The thread title is "The Virus - Are You Affected?"
I'd have to say yes. Not only has a friend and former co-worker lost his wife, a convent where a family member lived and worked has been devastated, but as an "essential worker" I'm in a position where I'm risking my health for a lousy paycheck. I interact with probably hundreds of people every day. Are they infected? I don't know. Are they taking all prudent steps to avoid being infected? I have no idea. Am I doing everything I can to protect myself? Yes, but I'm also in a high risk group (age, diabetes, hypertension) and if all my efforts fail and I get infected I'm in trouble.
But this is just one big fucking joke to you.
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First, you didn't answer my question: What is your threshold? You have made it clear that hundreds of thousands of deaths doesn't justify economic slowdown to you. So what would? The next factor of 10 up is millions. So how many millions would it take?
Second, ... a handful of old nuns? It's hard to take you seriously. If you knew anything about this disease you would know that the death toll is over 142,000 people now in the US. You can't fit 142,000 grains of rice in your hand, much less, people. (I did the math and using the smallest possible variety of rice, and assuming you have biggish human hands that can hold 1 cup of rice each you would need at least 14 handfuls of rice to match the number of Americans kill by this virus so far.) If I were to take your sloppy idiom seriously, I would have to conclude that you perceive the life of 14 American strangers to be worth less than a grain of rice. What an ego. Maybe you should stop to think about exactly how flippant you want to be when dismissing human lives.
How about some more context: Less than 3 thousand American lives were lost on 9/11. That event inspired US wars in the middle east that as of today exceed 6.4 trillion dollars in expenditure. That 2.15 million dollars per 9/11 fatality. How much should a human life be worth?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/us-spent-6point4-trillion-on-middle-east-wars-since-2001-study.html
Third, if no action is taken to constrain the virus, its casualties could be nearly limitless. Studies from Kings College London indicate that after 3 months some people who mustered a "potent response" of antibodies while they were infected had virtually undetectable levels of antibodies 3 months later. Quick re-infection could be a factor that makes herd immunity impossible. Do you feel comfortable sacrificing 0.5% of the population to this disease EVERY YEAR?
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Fatality rate, adjusted for demographics: .7%. Multiply that by the US population. I'll leave this as an exercise.
Then consider that those who aren't being careful tend to get a worse case if they do get it, the fatality rate under your approach goes up.
Then consider that it certainly appears that at least some people are susceptible to getting it again. This could greatly increase the death toll.
Now consider the increased death toll because the hospital system crash. Some states are already hitting their limits.
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The last part is key. The TSwizzles of America seem to think it is all about death. You don't need to die to be intubated. Many that are intubated survive. Being intubated is hell. It also means your body has been starved for oxygen which is leading to issues down the road.
Then you have the other people that are having restricted access to health care for other needs. That is affecting them directly, whether they die or not as well.
Then the susceptible, who are told to suck it up and stay home, so as long as others can party! Instead of trying to wipe this thing out and cautiously reopen.
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My wife's best friend's niece went to a religious camp. Covid spread throughout. She came home, tested positive and is now in quarantine and showing symptoms.
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Oh my. How awful. Our local churches still sent kids to camp too, which is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. I can't imagine what those parents are even thinking, to send their kids somewhere with a group of completely unknown people given the current circumstances.
My church resumed their in person services on May 10, after a few weeks of online/drive-in church only. I did not attend services. They held VBS in church the first week of June. Sunday School classes were resumed June 21. No masks, no social distancing, and lots of congregational singing. They have a fairly large percentage of older members and people with serious health issues. They did provide an online live stream – until this week when they abruptly stopped that with no notice. I resigned my membership due to their complete disregard of basic precautions, and made my reasons very clear. I have not had a single contact from any of the church members since then. Recently we have started to see rapid increases in COVID infection rates locally. I am just waiting to see how many of my former church members become infected; I have no doubt it will happen.
Politesse, how is your aunt doing?
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To be fair, the athetits have had this one coming for a while.
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Maybe those parents have to work. There are definite reasons why parents may require childcare.
Ruth Harris
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I was not talking about daycare. Of course, people with jobs outside the home have no choice but to place their children in a daycare setting. But that is a setting where they have to meet certain requirements to operate legally, and it is exclusively populated with local children.
Church camps, on the other hand, are generally run by volunteers from area churches. These people are not particularly well educated as far as child care is concerned. They are not subject to regulation by government for the most part. It is also not unusual for these camps to have children from out of the local area; grandchildren visiting with their grandparents, or similar circumstances. Plus the physical environment of most church camps is not usually very modernized. Having attended camps myself, and from what kids have told me in recent years, it has changed very little over the years. Old wood frame buildings, old hand made wooden dining tables, and old furniture in the cabins. None of these things can be thoroughly cleaned or sterilized. The cabins are very small and you usually wind up with a dozen kids confined in an area the size of a typical home’s living room for the overnight hours.
The commercial religious camps have a better physical environment and paid help, but they also draw kids from far and wide. So you are exposing your children to strangers from unknown areas that could quite possibly be raging with COVID infection. All the sterilization in the world is not going to protect from that.
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Every one of them will swear that they are independent thinkers.
Also, none of them will agree that their voting record in 2016 was influenced by something they saw on Facebook.
Also, none of them will agree that their voting record in 2016 was influenced by something they saw on Facebook.
Are those people who don't believe boobs are divine?
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