GenesisNemesis
I am a proud hedonist.
- Joined
- Jul 24, 2006
- Messages
- 4,713
- Location
- California
- Basic Beliefs
- Secular Humanist, Scientific Skepticism, Strong Atheism
So many Ukranian migrants coming to the border.
-
Features
To Give You a Size of the Immense and Growing Size of Illegal Immigration
- Thread starter RVonse
- Start date
bilby
Fair dinkum thinkum
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2007
- Messages
- 36,903
- Gender
- He/Him
- Basic Beliefs
- Strong Atheist
The countries "sending" people to the UK in the largest numbers are (in descending order):
India
Poland
Pakistan
Romania
Ireland
Nigeria
Italy
Germany
Bangladesh
South Africa
(source)
Funnily, none of these countries are on the list of 13 "most violent nations"
Also, from the same source, comes the notable observation that:
Compared to people born in the UK, migrants are more likely to be of working age and have a university degree
The VAST majority of migrants (94%) are not refugees or asylum seekers. They are young professionals, who help supply the UK's shortage of doctors, nurses, teachers, and other professions that the native born British people are too stupid or too lazy to fill.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 42,479
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
Holy crap. So who will fund this "immigration army"? Where will be their home base? whare will they acquire the weapons needed to take on the entire US military?
Britain Is Proof: Globalists Plan To Use Migrants as a Mercenary Army Against The West - LewRockwell
Why do western officials insist on gaslighting the public on illegal border crossings? Why do they attempt to destroy anyone that publicly opposes mass immigration from the third world? The laws on the books support the public’s majority position on immigration – Come here legally or don’t come...www.lewrockwell.com
You would never know it from main stream news but the UK is having many riots over their open border policy right now. We can learn from the experience of the UK. From this article:
"I have mentioned this in previous articles and I continue to believe that one of the main purposes for the establishment to leave borders open and entice illegals to enter is to create a migrant army; a situation in which millions of illegals will be offered easy citizenship in exchange for service. I also believe that this migrant army will be used against the American public (the real citizenry) to impose martial law measures in the wake of a national disaster…
For example, third-world cultures are intrinsically violent and authoritarian. The top 20 most violent nations and most oppressive nations in the world are also the same nations sending caravans of migrants our way. Progressives will claim that’s a good thing and that we need to help these people. It’s not a good thing and most of them can’t be helped because they aren’t coming here to be free, they are coming here to take whatever they can take.
The majority of people from these regions will never be able to coexist peacefully within western communities. They don’t understand freedom, they don’t understand diplomacy, they don’t understand compromise. For them, tolerance is not a virtue, it’s a weakness that can be exploited to their advantage. This is a fact proven time and time again as mass migrations accelerates and I think my theory has recently been vindicated by events in the UK.
British citizens have been victimized for over a decade by migrant attacks and organized crime. The two-tier policing system in the UK continues to protect these migrants from retribution while the government hides statistics that show how much violence is being committed by non-citizens."
But fortunately the prospects for the US may be better than the UK because of our 2nd amendment. More from this article:
"Regardless of the outcome of the US elections in November the illegal immigration crisis will be central to everything we do in the next couple years. If leftists remain in political power then it is likely that we will see a similar attempt at a crackdown on patriots from an arrogant Harris Administration.
I believe Harris will most definitely offer citizenship to every illegal already in the country (many of them in exchange for military service), buying a mercenary force and a progressive voting block at the same time, ending any chance of conservatives ever participating in government again.
In the case of a second Trump Administration the situation changes. The removal of illegal migrants will be the top issue and leftists in the US will try to prevent it. They view the migrants as the key to their kingdom; the way to “destroy capitalism” and bring in woke socialism. Removal of illegals would set them back decades. Leftists will riot rather than lose. It’s a certainty.
The difference is, US patriots are armed (50 million strong with over 400 million guns and hundreds of billions of rounds of ammunition). I’m now receiving a lot of emails these days from UK and European readers who say they are desperate for the same firearms rights we have in the US. They all tell me, “never give up your guns.” Don’t worry, we won’t. We know what’s coming thanks to the events in the UK."
This is just plain fucking silly.
You should be embarrassed for posting such stupidity. How many times do you need to be told your sources are shit and they are lying to you before you will listen?
RVonse
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2005
- Messages
- 3,452
- Location
- USA
- Basic Beliefs
- that people in the US are living in the matrx
In the case of Britain, Britain will fund the immigration army. In the case of the US, the US will fund the immigration army. It will be done exactly how it happened during Rome's last days; when Rome funded their "immigration army" which finally helped to end that society the same way.
The elites of a dying society can not pay outsiders to serve in their military to which their own citizens are not even loyal..... and not expect anything but chaos. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5096...-durbin-make-illegal-immigrants-join-military
Politesse
Lux Aeterna
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2018
- Messages
- 14,060
- Location
- Chochenyo Territory, US
- Gender
- nonbinary
- Basic Beliefs
- Jedi Wayseeker
But you are the one sowing disloyalty against the military. Not immigrants. White nationalist vigilantes with too many guns are not the military. People who take orders from their pastor over orders from their CO are not the military. The military is the military, and it is a citizen-led, multicultural, pluri-religious, politically diverse entity. Your idea, that we should hate and discriminate against some veterans on the basis of their immigrant background and some wild conspiracy theories that unjustifiably impugn their service, is traitorous and unpatriotic.
When was "Rome" at it's height? Whatever year you name, if you think Rome had an all-Italian army and navy during that year, you are dead wrong. Rome was at its height when all of the nations of the Mediterranean felt that they had a stake in keeping Rome in power, and that included mutually beneficial tributary relationships that sent young people to the capital from Africa, Germany, and wherever else.
RVonse
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2005
- Messages
- 3,452
- Location
- USA
- Basic Beliefs
- that people in the US are living in the matrx
Senator Durbin will tell you that we need immigrants for the army. It should be noted also the reason our military can no longer reach its quota's is because of liberal diversity constraints in the first place. Young white males are no longer interested in being led by female transvestites. They are no longer interested in serving for military not based on meritocracy and instead based on gender quotas.
I'm not sowing any disloyalty. The Democrats are far superior at sowing disloyalty.
I'm not sowing any disloyalty. The Democrats are far superior at sowing disloyalty.
Swammerdami
Squadron Leader
Wowww!!!!!!!
I'm afraid to ask for a cite. There may be one, but it would have to come from a corner of the Darkest Web so saturated in stupidity and/or extremist Trumpism lies that it might start a melt-down.
laughing dog
Contributor
My son fought in Afghanistan and he never saw a military transvestite of any gender.
My father, grandfather, and great grandfather fought in wars for this country and the Union. None of them saw the military ad a “meritocracy “. Hell before the Korean War it was officially segregated!
My understanding of the recruitment issue is one part of the problem is a growing economy which hives young men other opportunities. And another issue is that the military is more selective than in the past.
Often, I struggle with your vision of the US because confirms neither with history nor my experience.
Last edited:
Ford
Contributor
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2010
- Messages
- 7,816
- Location
- Freedomland
- Basic Beliefs
- Just don't knock on my door on a Saturday Morning
You're sowing drooling conspiracy theories. Apparently you've missed it, but the military isn't some bastion of young conservative white males that has suddenly been overwhelmed by an influx of black and brown people. The crack about "being led by female transvestites" tells me you have utterly lost touch with reality.
Well, that and the fact that you posted something from Lew Rockwell with a straight face.
Politesse
Lux Aeterna
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2018
- Messages
- 14,060
- Location
- Chochenyo Territory, US
- Gender
- nonbinary
- Basic Beliefs
- Jedi Wayseeker
You're saying that you openly oppose the US military as it now exists, then insist that you aren't disloyal to it. You want to undemocratically dismantle it on the basis of racism, sexism, and homophobia, but you aren't disloyal to it. You are, in short, deluded. Wanting to control an institution is not the same thing as being loyal to it. You are a traitor to your nation and should under no circumstances be allowed to serve in its military, for that reason alone.
bilby
Fair dinkum thinkum
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2007
- Messages
- 36,903
- Gender
- He/Him
- Basic Beliefs
- Strong Atheist
Point of order - most "Italians" were just as much foreigners in the Roman Empire (and Republic) as were Gauls or Hispanics or Sicillians or Corsicans.
Rome was a city state; People from other italian cities were as foreign as people from any Roman city other than Rome itself.
Though that's confusing to modern sensibities; Romans saw the citizens of the city of Rome (and later of Constantinople) as the "real" Romans; But they didn't give a hoot where those "real" Romans were born, only that they lived in Rome, and lived like Romans - speaking Latin, and embracing Roman lifestyles and Roman gods.
And anyone (inside the Empire or not) who spoke Latin, and lived like a Roman, was Roman. So an Italian Roman from outside the city of Rome was no more Roman than a Gaulish Roman, or a British Roman, or a German Roman.
The embrace of Rome as an exemplar by modern fascists and ultra-nationalists, depends on an abject failure to grasp that Roman concepts of nationality, ethnicity, and belonging, were utterly alien to modern people. Living as we do in a world of controlled and fixed borders, we have difficulty in understanding how the world was organised and managed when most borders were not fixed, and not controlled.
The Roman Empire was an agreement on how to live, rather than a geography. People could be forced to agree to do things the Roman way (and refusing to agree would get them killed), so if you squint, it looks like a modern expansionist empire taking territory from her neighbours. But Rome didn't take territory; It took people.
Rome was more like a religion or cult than it was like a modern empire. Don't think of Roman expansion into (for example) Gaul as like the German invasions of France in 1914 or in 1940; Think more of how Scientology would expand if it had a large military wing.
Converts to Rome were Romans. The Romans didn't so much recruit foreign soldiers, as convert foreigners into Romans. And what better way to demonstrate your conversion, than to join up to fight for your new ideals?
Perhaps the nearest modern equivalent was the way US citizenship expanded between the Declaration of Independence, and the inception of the US constitution. Americans in that period were mostly born in Europe (Native Americans very definitely did NOT qualify by right of birthplace, nor was being born in the American colonies sufficent to make one American); What separated an American (or as they styled themselves, confusingly, "Patriot") from a patriotic British Colonial Subject, was not geography or ethnicity, but a choice of which authority to obey.
Expanding America in that era didn't entail moving geographical borders, but rather shifting peoples' opinions from loyalty to the empire led by George III, to loyalty to the rebels led by George Washington.
The idea that ones place of birth (or that of ones grandparents) was the measure of ones belonging to a given polity, was absurd both in Imperial Rome and in Revolutionary America*. It's a twentieth century idea, that twenty first century idiots are trying to paste onto a fourth century history that they don't comprehend, in order to justify their insane desire to put themselves, and any other people who look enough like them, above the rest of humanity.
* Although in America the ethnic division of Africans and Native Americans from white "Europeans" was already established - something that would have been incomprehensible to the Romans. I am talking here about the places of birth and the backgrounds of the white folks on either side of the British/Revolutionary divide.
"Patriots" = insurrectionists.
Their leaders have already said it's a coup, the only question being whether their takeover will be resisted.
Do you want a Christian nationalist theocracy or do you not understand what you're supporting?
Yes to both, most likely.
southernhybrid
Contributor
I wonder if there's something in the air that is causing all these totally insane conspiracy theories these days, and why do people believe this crazy shit?
It appears as if someone is worried about the idiotic white replacement thing. We have always been a culturally diverse country, made up of people of multiple backgrounds with parents, grandparents or great grandparents who arrived here as immigrants with the desire for a better life. I love cultural diversity. And, there is no reason why a woman a shouldn't be permitted to be in charge of a military division. I don't understand the hatred and fear of other humans because they may be a little bit different. Diversity is an asset, not a liability.
We are all humans and that's all that matters. And, anyone who half pays attention knows that immigrants commit far fewer crimes statistically compared to those who have been born and bred the US. Plus, nobody is supporting totally open borders. Morally intact people want to allow asylum seekers and those who can add to the quality of our nation to have a chance to become a part of our country.
It appears as if someone is worried about the idiotic white replacement thing. We have always been a culturally diverse country, made up of people of multiple backgrounds with parents, grandparents or great grandparents who arrived here as immigrants with the desire for a better life. I love cultural diversity. And, there is no reason why a woman a shouldn't be permitted to be in charge of a military division. I don't understand the hatred and fear of other humans because they may be a little bit different. Diversity is an asset, not a liability.
We are all humans and that's all that matters. And, anyone who half pays attention knows that immigrants commit far fewer crimes statistically compared to those who have been born and bred the US. Plus, nobody is supporting totally open borders. Morally intact people want to allow asylum seekers and those who can add to the quality of our nation to have a chance to become a part of our country.
southernhybrid
Contributor
I doubt that those who are poorly informed will bother to read the article I'm about to share, but it explains how the Republicans have been using outdated information to lie about the immigration situation. Some of their ads included interviews and photos that are moe than a decade old. But, people seem to like to believe what they want these days, so a lot of this disinformation is taking as truth. It's a long article and you must scroll past the photos to get to the heart of it. I hope at least some of you will bother to read it. I'm just quoting a little bit so you get the point. The Republicans are lying about the border!
https://wapo.st/4ctL7OH
https://wapo.st/4ctL7OH
bilby
Fair dinkum thinkum
- Joined
- Mar 6, 2007
- Messages
- 36,903
- Gender
- He/Him
- Basic Beliefs
- Strong Atheist
The number of people in the UK who want American style gun rights can be counted on the fingers of one foot.
Those who are "desperate" for such rights are typically resident in secure psychiatric accommodation.
The political lobby calling for UK gun law to be modelled on that of the USA is somewhat less large, influential, and important than the lobby calling for motorways to be replaced by canals.
Indeed, I have never once heard of anyone in the UK calling for US style gun rights - and I worked as a gunsmith in the UK back in the early 1990s. If such a lobby existed, I would surely have heard from them.
I have, however, frequently heard US right wingnuts claim that such a lobby exists. Presumably they assume (correctly) that most of their audience are hicks who will never meet anyone from Europe, and so will never discover that they are being comprehensively lied to.
Those who are "desperate" for such rights are typically resident in secure psychiatric accommodation.
The political lobby calling for UK gun law to be modelled on that of the USA is somewhat less large, influential, and important than the lobby calling for motorways to be replaced by canals.
Indeed, I have never once heard of anyone in the UK calling for US style gun rights - and I worked as a gunsmith in the UK back in the early 1990s. If such a lobby existed, I would surely have heard from them.
I have, however, frequently heard US right wingnuts claim that such a lobby exists. Presumably they assume (correctly) that most of their audience are hicks who will never meet anyone from Europe, and so will never discover that they are being comprehensively lied to.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 42,479
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
I did some checking on one of the ads blaming KH for crimes by letting gang member felons go free. "Blood on her hands" is what they called it. The one they highlighted was first caught as a young juvenile for robbery. He did six months in Juvenile detention and was then released to his mother. A year later he did another robbery. He got nine months in juvenile dentention and was then released to his grandmother. I have not found anything that tied KH to either of those but that doesn't mean she wasn't involved. Eight years later, the same person commits a triple murder of people he thought were rival gang members. KH did prosecute that case and got the felon life with no chance of parole.
Mind you this was a couple weeks ago I looked this up so I might have some minor details incorrect. I also didn't look up anything about the second felon mentioned in the ad.
This is the dishonesty of these types of ads.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
Erm, yes she was.
Politesse
Lux Aeterna
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2018
- Messages
- 14,060
- Location
- Chochenyo Territory, US
- Gender
- nonbinary
- Basic Beliefs
- Jedi Wayseeker
No, she wasn't.