What liberals (still) get wrong about Trump's support

[Emily Lake]

I suggest you go investigate what "dictatorship" already means, as opposed to coining your own special usage for an existing term.

I suggest you try to tell me how a rigid top down power structure is not a dictatorship.

You have been indoctrinated to somehow see dictatorial power structures as something besides dictatorships.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/dictatorship

Dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations. The term dictatorship comes from the Latin title dictator, which in the Roman Republic designated a temporary magistrate who was granted extraordinary powers in order to deal with state crises. Modern dictators, however, resemble ancient tyrants rather than ancient dictators. Ancient philosophers’ descriptions of the tyrannies of Greece and Sicily go far toward characterizing modern dictatorships. Dictators usually resort to force or fraud to gain despotic political power, which they maintain through the use of intimidation, terror, and the suppression of basic civil liberties. They may also employ techniques of mass propaganda in order to sustain their public support.

 

[untermensche]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/dictatorship

Dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations. The term dictatorship comes from the Latin title dictator, which in the Roman Republic designated a temporary magistrate who was granted extraordinary powers in order to deal with state crises. Modern dictators, however, resemble ancient tyrants rather than ancient dictators. Ancient philosophers’ descriptions of the tyrannies of Greece and Sicily go far toward characterizing modern dictatorships. Dictators usually resort to force or fraud to gain despotic political power, which they maintain through the use of intimidation, terror, and the suppression of basic civil liberties. They may also employ techniques of mass propaganda in order to sustain their public support.

That is a governmental dictatorship.

A kind of dictatorship.

A subcategory.

Your lack of insight is not an argument.

How is a rigid top down power structure not a dictatorial power structure?

Please be specific. What makes it not a dictatorship?

 

[Harry Bosch]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/dictatorship

Dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations. The term dictatorship comes from the Latin title dictator, which in the Roman Republic designated a temporary magistrate who was granted extraordinary powers in order to deal with state crises. Modern dictators, however, resemble ancient tyrants rather than ancient dictators. Ancient philosophers’ descriptions of the tyrannies of Greece and Sicily go far toward characterizing modern dictatorships. Dictators usually resort to force or fraud to gain despotic political power, which they maintain through the use of intimidation, terror, and the suppression of basic civil liberties. They may also employ techniques of mass propaganda in order to sustain their public support.

That is a governmental dictatorship.

A kind of dictatorship.

A subcategory.

Your lack of insight is not an argument.

How is a rigid top down power structure not a dictatorial power structure?

Please be specific. What makes it not a dictatorship?

Long winded answer: Choice.

 

[untermensche]

That is a governmental dictatorship.

A kind of dictatorship.

A subcategory.

Your lack of insight is not an argument.

How is a rigid top down power structure not a dictatorial power structure?

Please be specific. What makes it not a dictatorship?

Long winded answer: Choice.

What feeble choices people are given, what crumbs they are thrown, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the power structures that most people MUST submit to in order to survive and care for their families.

In reality leaving a job is very difficult and all most can do is trade one dictator for hopefully a more reasonable dictator.

Escaping from dictatorship is not even possible for most people.

Your answer is nonsense.

Only good thing about it was it was short.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That is a governmental dictatorship.

A kind of dictatorship.

A subcategory.

Your lack of insight is not an argument.

How is a rigid top down power structure not a dictatorial power structure?

Please be specific. What makes it not a dictatorship?

Long winded answer: Choice.

What feeble choices people are given, what crumbs they are thrown, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the power structures that most people MUST submit to in order to survive and care for their families.

In reality leaving a job is very difficult and all most can do is trade one dictator for hopefully a more reasonable dictator.

Escaping from dictatorship is not even possible for most people.

Your answer is nonsense.

Only good thing about it was it was short.

We have lots of choices. It's just you think they aren't right because in your fantasy the worker gets a lot more.

 

[lpetrich]

We have lots of choices. It's just you think they aren't right because in your fantasy the worker gets a lot more.

Loren Pechtel, think about Google firing James Damore. Think about Facebook, Apple, YouTube, and Spotify removing Alex Jones's channel. Is that the sort of world that you would want to live in?

 

[untermensche]

What feeble choices people are given, what crumbs they are thrown, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the power structures that most people MUST submit to in order to survive and care for their families.

In reality leaving a job is very difficult and all most can do is trade one dictator for hopefully a more reasonable dictator.

Escaping from dictatorship is not even possible for most people.

Your answer is nonsense.

Only good thing about it was it was short.

We have lots of choices. It's just you think they aren't right because in your fantasy the worker gets a lot more.

Who is this we?

White guys like you?

Unthinking sellouts to the system? Devoid of any desire for autonomy?

I'll let you in on something.

Your world is not the world of anyone else. Just because you were able to suck up and achieve a low level management position does not mean everyone can.

Put you out of work and you will suffer. If you're over 50 you may really suffer.

To not even understand that is amazing.

Good luck.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What feeble choices people are given, what crumbs they are thrown, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the power structures that most people MUST submit to in order to survive and care for their families.

In reality leaving a job is very difficult and all most can do is trade one dictator for hopefully a more reasonable dictator.

Escaping from dictatorship is not even possible for most people.

Your answer is nonsense.

Only good thing about it was it was short.

We have lots of choices. It's just you think they aren't right because in your fantasy the worker gets a lot more.

Who is this we?

White guys like you?

Unthinking sellouts to the system? Devoid of any desire for autonomy?

I'll let you in on something.

Your world is not the world of anyone else. Just because you were able to suck up and achieve a low level management position does not mean everyone can.

Put you out of work and you will suffer. If you're over 50 you may really suffer.

To not even understand that is amazing.

Good luck.

You still aren't showing anything about the merits of your system. It's pure fantasy.

 

[untermensche]

Who is this we?

White guys like you?

Unthinking sellouts to the system? Devoid of any desire for autonomy?

I'll let you in on something.

Your world is not the world of anyone else. Just because you were able to suck up and achieve a low level management position does not mean everyone can.

Put you out of work and you will suffer. If you're over 50 you may really suffer.

To not even understand that is amazing.

Good luck.

You still aren't showing anything about the merits of your system. It's pure fantasy.

The Anarchists were real. They can't be replicated but something else with the same principles could work if it was allowed to work by whatever powers existed.

But what led to the Anarchists gaining power in Spain was first a widespread system of unions.

In the US the unions have been decimated over the past few decades. The US is not on the verge of transitioning to Anarchism.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Who is this we?

White guys like you?

Unthinking sellouts to the system? Devoid of any desire for autonomy?

I'll let you in on something.

Your world is not the world of anyone else. Just because you were able to suck up and achieve a low level management position does not mean everyone can.

Put you out of work and you will suffer. If you're over 50 you may really suffer.

To not even understand that is amazing.

Good luck.

You still aren't showing anything about the merits of your system. It's pure fantasy.

The Anarchists were real. They can't be replicated but something else with the same principles could work if it was allowed to work by whatever powers existed.

But what led to the Anarchists gaining power in Spain was first a widespread system of unions.

In the US the unions have been decimated over the past few decades. The US is not on the verge of transitioning to Anarchism.

Still has nothing to do with whether your system would work.

You have no source of capital capable of funding expensive factories. (Say, a chip fabber--a billion dollars a facility.)

 

[untermensche]

The Anarchists were real. They can't be replicated but something else with the same principles could work if it was allowed to work by whatever powers existed.

But what led to the Anarchists gaining power in Spain was first a widespread system of unions.

In the US the unions have been decimated over the past few decades. The US is not on the verge of transitioning to Anarchism.

Still has nothing to do with whether your system would work.

You have no source of capital capable of funding expensive factories. (Say, a chip fabber--a billion dollars a facility.)

Your objections are on the level of a child.

I am talking morality and justice and you are talking about simple human logistics.

Anything that can be done under dictatorial control can be done with democratic control.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It is morally proper and just that everyone gets food. That the food isn't there in the first place is merely a matter of logistics. A logistical objection like that is on the level of a child.

You can't redistribute that which doesn't exist, unter. All of your pontificating about proper methods of control and distribution doesn't make that which doesn't exist suddenly exist.

 

[untermensche]

It is morally proper and just that everyone gets food. That the food isn't there in the first place is merely a matter of logistics. A logistical objection like that is on the level of a child.

You can't redistribute that which doesn't exist, unter. All of your pontificating about proper methods of control and distribution doesn't make that which doesn't exist suddenly exist.

There is a lot of hunger in the US.

And at the same time some have more than they could reasonably consume in a thousand lifetimes.

There is a lot of hunger in capitalist Mexico and capitalist Guatemala and capitalist Haiti.

What the hell are you talking about?

Capitalism is about keeping the necessities from people so they have to buy them.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Where is all the food in Venezuela?

Progressive legislation prevents grocery stores and restaurants from giving away food that didn't sell. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[untermensche]

Where is all the food in Venezuela?

Progressive legislation prevents grocery stores and restaurants from giving away food that didn't sell. Why do you suppose that is?

Venezuela is suffering now like Haiti and Guatemala and Mexico have been suffering for decades.

Venezuela did not collapse under Chavez.

Venezuela is a mixed capitalist economy. That is what it was under Chavez. Private ownership has never been prohibited.

The criticisms of Venezuela have been that the government has tried to control the capitalist economy too greatly.

It was never a Socialist economy and certainly not an Anarchist society.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Where is all the food in Venezuela?

Progressive legislation prevents grocery stores and restaurants from giving away food that didn't sell. Why do you suppose that is?

Venezuela is suffering now like Haiti and Guatemala and Mexico have been suffering for decades.

Venezuela did not collapse under Chavez.

It started under Chavez, but he had the good sense to die before it became apparent even to people like you.

Venezuela is a mixed capitalist economy.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It was never a Socialist economy and certainly not an Anarchist society.

I never claimed it was anarchist, but it is nice to know that it wasn't TRUE SOCIALISM.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Anarchists were real. They can't be replicated but something else with the same principles could work if it was allowed to work by whatever powers existed.

But what led to the Anarchists gaining power in Spain was first a widespread system of unions.

In the US the unions have been decimated over the past few decades. The US is not on the verge of transitioning to Anarchism.

Still has nothing to do with whether your system would work.

You have no source of capital capable of funding expensive factories. (Say, a chip fabber--a billion dollars a facility.)

Your objections are on the level of a child.

I am talking morality and justice and you are talking about simple human logistics.

Anything that can be done under dictatorial control can be done with democratic control.

No, I'm talking about reality, you're talking religion. You take your position on faith and are completely incapable of actually examining it.

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It is morally proper and just that everyone gets food. That the food isn't there in the first place is merely a matter of logistics. A logistical objection like that is on the level of a child.

You can't redistribute that which doesn't exist, unter. All of your pontificating about proper methods of control and distribution doesn't make that which doesn't exist suddenly exist.

There is a lot of hunger in the US.

And at the same time some have more than they could reasonably consume in a thousand lifetimes.

There is a lot of hunger in capitalist Mexico and capitalist Guatemala and capitalist Haiti.

What the hell are you talking about?

Capitalism is about keeping the necessities from people so they have to buy them.

But note the places where mass starvation stalks the land--leftist places.

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Where is all the food in Venezuela?

Progressive legislation prevents grocery stores and restaurants from giving away food that didn't sell. Why do you suppose that is?

Venezuela is suffering now like Haiti and Guatemala and Mexico have been suffering for decades.

Venezuela did not collapse under Chavez.

Venezuela is a mixed capitalist economy. That is what it was under Chavez. Private ownership has never been prohibited.

The criticisms of Venezuela have been that the government has tried to control the capitalist economy too greatly.

It was never a Socialist economy and certainly not an Anarchist society.

Most of the means of production were nationalized under Chavez. That's why it collapsed--under Chavez. It just didn't hit bottom before he died.

 

[untermensche]

Venezuela is suffering now like Haiti and Guatemala and Mexico have been suffering for decades.

Venezuela did not collapse under Chavez.

Venezuela is a mixed capitalist economy. That is what it was under Chavez. Private ownership has never been prohibited.

The criticisms of Venezuela have been that the government has tried to control the capitalist economy too greatly.

It was never a Socialist economy and certainly not an Anarchist society.

Most of the means of production were nationalized under Chavez. That's why it collapsed--under Chavez. It just didn't hit bottom before he died.

Another bunch of bullshit pulled straight from your ass.

Total bullshit.

Evidence!!

 

[untermensche]

Venezuela is a mixed capitalist economy.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

There is widespread private ownership.

It is a mixed capitalist economy.

There are no specific capitalist principles.

There are only handy slogans and the constant breakdown of so-called capitalist economies.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You are confusing communism and socialism.

Under socialism, the means of production are "collectively owned". There still exists private property in other areas, such as your house and your car and your non-existent food.

Under communism there is no private property at all.



If you, a true believer, can't tell them apart, then the true believers shouldn't get upset when others confuse them as well. But they will.