Will Biden drop out? Who replaces him?

[barbos]

Good news. Obama doesn't control the democratic party. It's not a cult, unlike the Trump cult.

True, democratic party is more like PolitBuro.

 

[Elixir]

What she needs to do is emphasize with people, that she understands that GDP numbers and unemployment numbers doesn't put food on the table, and that her goal is to expand the benefits of the good economy more broadly.

That needs to be overlayed upon the facts.
The facts have been obfuscated and lied about so thoroughly that leading with the above “explanation” would sound like a hollow excuse for having caused pain. If the facts are first established, it can be credibly phrased as a prediction: “you WILL see expanded range of the prosperity that IS (factually) emerging from the mess that Biden inherited.”
It all sounds like Trump’s baseless lying promises unless the facts are first established in the mind of the audience.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Good news. Obama doesn't control the democratic party. It's not a cult, unlike the Trump cult.

True, democratic party is more like PolitBuro.

You mean PolitBurro? Cause, that'd be funny.

 

[Elixir]

Good news. Obama doesn't control the democratic party. It's not a cult, unlike the Trump cult.

True, democratic party is more like PolitBuro.

You mean PolitBurro? Cause, that'd be funny.

And self-descriptive!

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Definitely need to state that this is early. Sarah Palin was a remarkably sound choice for a week too! While Harris gets the "fast" track to the General Election, everyone is looking at the brand new car, no one is kicking the tires yet. Yes, the transition was very smooth and deliberate. But we are about to move from transition to race. With about 45% of the electorate set for each candidate, leaving the last 10% unknown.

Nearly half the electorate doesn’t vote. A key for Harris is to bring some of them off the sidelines. Trump’s ability to add to his base is virtually nonexistent; not so for her.

 

[Copernicus]

Definitely need to state that this is early. Sarah Palin was a remarkably sound choice for a week too! While Harris gets the "fast" track to the General Election, everyone is looking at the brand new car, no one is kicking the tires yet. Yes, the transition was very smooth and deliberate. But we are about to move from transition to race. With about 45% of the electorate set for each candidate, leaving the last 10% unknown.

This election may be unusual, if Harris can manage to pull in a significant number of new voters, especially young people that tend not to be interested in elections or voting. There is even talk about her being able to revive the "Obama coalition", although I think that it is mostly wishful thinking. Harris needs to appeal to suburban and rural white voters, to the extent that she can. She is enjoying a lot of energy and momentum, but that will soon wear off. The real election still starts in September, when a lot of people begin to focus attention on whether they will vote and, if so, who for. There is some potential for Harris to bleed off women that are called "soft Trump voters"--those that aren't quite as inspired by Trump's blatant misogyny and racism. It will take time to see the extent to which her entry into the race is a real game changer.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Definitely need to state that this is early. Sarah Palin was a remarkably sound choice for a week too! While Harris gets the "fast" track to the General Election, everyone is looking at the brand new car, no one is kicking the tires yet. Yes, the transition was very smooth and deliberate. But we are about to move from transition to race. With about 45% of the electorate set for each candidate, leaving the last 10% unknown.

This election may be unusual, if Harris can manage to pull in a significant number of new voters, especially young people that tend not to be interested in elections or voting. There is even talk about her being able to revive the "Obama coalition", although I think that it is mostly wishful thinking.

Obama didn't win Georgia. She needs to ignite as many minority voters possible... and appeal to the youth as well as suburban women. It shouldn't be that hard. She is running against a wannabe despot who is old and needs his face painted to go out in public. But this is a different America it seems.

Harris needs to appeal to suburban and rural white voters, to the extent that she can. She is enjoying a lot of energy and momentum, but that will soon wear off. The real election still starts in September, when a lot of people begin to focus attention on whether they will vote and, if so, who for. There is some potential for Harris to bleed off women that are called "soft Trump voters"--those that aren't quite as inspired by Trump's blatant misogyny and racism. It will take time to see the extent to which her entry into the race is a real game changer.

My Father-in-Law's wife is a perfect example of the suburban voter Harris needs. I think she is a sleeper conservative, but women's rights are her major concern. She'll vote for Harris, and Harris needs as many of her as she can get.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Will Harris (or any other candidate for that matter) getting so much money/donations raise the issue of "quid pro quo"?
How is the allegations/perception of the 'best candidate money can buy' be handled?
I wonder about that because in Australia, unless they are an independent, we donate to a party rather than a person.

Yeah, the seppos do it differently. They see being bribed supported financially by donors as the only (and therefore the usual) way to do business, and so the thinking is never "If this candidate is getting so much money, to whom will that make them beholden?", but rather "If this candidate is getting so much money, that must mean they are a fundamentally better person than the other candidate(s)".

You might note in this thread, this forum, and in US media generally, a tacit acceptance that "being a good fundraiser" is a positive trait in a candidate.

Receiving large chunks of money is clearly an indication of trouble. However, small amounts from many people are more an indication that people think the candidate is electable and that they would prefer that candidate over the opponent. $50 million from one person (yeah, I know, not allowed), you really don't want that candidate. $50 from a million people, a good thing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Canada is run by Nazis?

I noticed you omitted Ukraine.

Jesus fucking Christ, are you still peddling the bullshit that the country with a Jew President is jam packed with Nazis? Have you learned to spell his name properly yet?

Yes, I am still "peddling" it.
And Elensky is not technically a jew. First his mother is not a jew, secondly, he claims to be christian I think.
I have never called him a nazi. Regime in Ukraine is a nazi regime, in the sense that it contains and relies on support of nazi elements in ukrainian society. There is no contradiction here.

Can you do some QA on some North Korean artillery shells please? Kthnx.

Why would you want him to? Bad shells just hurt Russia.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Can you do some QA on some North Korean artillery shells please? Kthnx.

What?

You haven't heard of the reliability problems with the NK shells??

 

[lpetrich]

Election 2024: Harris has enough support to become Democratic presidential nominee: AP survey | AP News
noting
2024 AP Democratic Delegate Survey | AP News
KH: 3,107
Undecided: 42
Total: 3,949
To win: 1,975

 Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election and  List of Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign endorsements

Biden staff knew of his decision to drop out one minute before public | AP News

His campaign was planning fundraisers and events and setting up travel over the next few weeks. But even as Biden was publicly dug in and insisting he was staying in the race, he was quietly reflecting on the disaster of the past few weeks, on the past three years of his presidency and on the scope of his half-century career in politics.

In the end, it was the president’s decision alone, and he made it quietly, from his vacation home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, sick with COVID-19, the first lady with him as he talked it through with a small circle of people who have been with him for decades.

Then describing how he came to that decision.

It’s not like things had been going great before the June 27 debate. In an August 2023 poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, fully 77% of U.S. adults said Biden was too old to be effective for four more years. Not only did 89% of Republicans say that, but so did 69% of Democrats.

He wanted to show that he was not fading away by having a debate with Donald Trump.

That produced the June 27 debate that set Biden’s downfall in motion. Biden gave nonsensical answers, trailed off mid-sentence and appeared to stare blankly in front of an audience of 51 million people. Perhaps most distressing to other Democrats, Biden didn’t go after Trump’s myriad falsehoods about his involvement in the violence around the insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, abortion rights or immigration.

Then lots of rumors of efforts to push him out, and according to AOC, not only him but KH. Donors were also slowing down in giving money to the campaign. AOC claims that a lot of JB opponents were talking about what their donors wanted rather than what their constituents wanted.

His small circle decided to post the statement on X on Sunday, rather than let it leak out for days before he was prepared to address the nation, which he is expected to do sometime early this week.

Much of his campaign was blindsided, and it was clear by how little had changed after he dropped out.

Their sites needed a lot of updating.

Why Joe Biden's accomplishments didn't translate into voter support | AP News

Because JB himself seemed so weak, I think, unlike DT, who very confidently asserts falsehood after falsehood after falsehood.

 

[ZiprHead]

They're basically a gas station that also sells vodka.

Most of the Vodka sold around here is made in France. They put Russian sounding names on the label, but it wasn't Russian made, even before sanctions were imposed.

According to babs Russian vodka is so bad even Russians won’t drink it any more.

Of course I don’t believe him - I think they drink it.

I have recently seen a few video tours of Russian Grocery stores. with entire aisles devoted to bottles of Vodka. Yeah, they drink the stuff! And sell a LOT of it.

No. it's just standing there. most of the people drink beer nowadays.

If no one was drinking it, it wouldn't be on the shelves.

 

[ZiprHead]

Can you do some QA on some North Korean artillery shells please? Kthnx.

What?

You haven't heard of the reliability problems with the NK shells??

He mentioned something about it in "the other thread."

 

[TV and credit cards]

Will Harris (or any other candidate for that matter) getting so much money/donations raise the issue of "quid pro quo"?
How is the allegations/perception of the 'best candidate money can buy' be handled?
I wonder about that because in Australia, unless they are an independent, we donate to a party rather than a person.

Yeah, the seppos do it differently. They see being bribed supported financially by donors as the only (and therefore the usual) way to do business, and so the thinking is never "If this candidate is getting so much money, to whom will that make them beholden?", but rather "If this candidate is getting so much money, that must mean they are a fundamentally better person than the other candidate(s)".

You might note in this thread, this forum, and in US media generally, a tacit acceptance that "being a good fundraiser" is a positive trait in a candidate.

Receiving large chunks of money is clearly an indication of trouble. However, small amounts from many people are more an indication that people think the candidate is electable and that they would prefer that candidate over the opponent. $50 million from one person (yeah, I know, not allowed), you really don't want that candidate. $50 from a million people, a good thing.

Or it's a sign of our politically polarized nation. So many more people are now willing to part with a few precious dollars just to show their contempt for one another.

 

[Elixir]

people are now willing to part with a few precious dollars just to show their contempt for one another.

?
Has Kami ramped up people’s contempt for each other just by being black?

I think it more likely that Trump has ramped up people’s contempt for each other by expressing contempt for people. Lots of people. The best people. His own people. His own voters. And everyone else. It’s so cool that he’s so cool!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That’s funny coming from a MAGA hire.

Really.
If Harris is the intellectual bottom of the barrel, Trump is an intellectual earthworm living in putrid ground underneath the barrel.

Please refrain from insulting intellectually challenged earthworms living under barrels.

And earthworms serve an important function in the eco system. tRump, not so much.

Spewing fertilizer isn't useful?

 

[Tigers!]

Will Harris (or any other candidate for that matter) getting so much money/donations raise the issue of "quid pro quo"?
How is the allegations/perception of the 'best candidate money can buy' be handled?
I wonder about that because in Australia, unless they are an independent, we donate to a party rather than a person.

Yeah, the seppos do it differently. They see being bribed supported financially by donors as the only (and therefore the usual) way to do business, and so the thinking is never "If this candidate is getting so much money, to whom will that make them beholden?", but rather "If this candidate is getting so much money, that must mean they are a fundamentally better person than the other candidate(s)".

You might note in this thread, this forum, and in US media generally, a tacit acceptance that "being a good fundraiser" is a positive trait in a candidate.

Having wealthy donors implies that smart people* think that a candidate should win. Who are you to suggest that such smart people might be wrong? If you're smarter than Paris Hilton, why ain't you richer than her?







* because any wealthy person must, unquestionably, be more intelligent than anyone else, obviously.

Have noticed that quirk in US politics. Can't be for good for anyone expect the pollies and their supporters.

 

[TV and credit cards]

people are now willing to part with a few precious dollars just to show their contempt for one another.

?
Has Kami ramped up people’s contempt for each other just by being black?

I think it more likely that Trump has ramped up people’s contempt for each other by expressing contempt for people. Lots of people. The best people. His own people. His own voters. And everyone else. It’s so cool that he’s so cool!

"Just by being Black"? At this juncture, I could only guess. But small donors (less than $100) has doubled since 1992-2016 and nearly doubled again 2016-2020. Clearly there is more passion among the electorate. Surprisingly Democrats far outpace Republicans in small donations. I guess the rest are just buying hats and t-shirts.

Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, the Tea Party, the election of Obama, CNN & MSNBC pushing back, and of course Trump.

 

[barbos]

Can you do some QA on some North Korean artillery shells please? Kthnx.

What?

You haven't heard of the reliability problems with the NK shells??

They are still more reliable than what Pavel collected for Ukraine.

 

[lpetrich]

List: Which Democrats Have Endorsed Kamala Harris for President - The New York Times - from Tuesday to Wednesday, two more House members have endorsed KH.

I used the Congressmember ideology scores at govtrack.us as ideology measurements, and I did statistical tests to see how the various populations of politicians compare in ideology. I used the difference in medians, which I used to try to avoid assumptions about distributions. Positive more left, negative: more right.

Before JB dropped out, continue: +0.025, step down: -0.03, expressed concern: 0

The Monday after JB dropped out, support KH (half of Congress): +0.01 , statement without supporting KH -0.06, no comment: 0

The Wednesday after JB dropped out, support KH (nearly all of Congress): 0, statement without supporting KH -0.11, no comment: -0.02

This is consistent with what AOC Instagrammed about, that those who wanted JB to drop out also wanted KH to drop out. The converse is true, that those who wanted JB to say also want KH to say.