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If you consent to (bareback!) penis-in-vagina sex, and you do not specifically discuss details, it seems to me not at all implicit permission to have a man ejaculate into your vagina during that act.Uh huh. And do you think that consensual sex automatically implies "Yay, please cum inside me!"?Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
Nature 'excused' men from the responsibility--men can't get pregnant no matter what a man or woman does to him.Or do you think that perhaps, just perhaps, there's a social expectation that women should be the ones who have to always be responsible about ensuring they don't get pregnant, and that men are excused from that responsibility altogether?
Typically no other side effects, but there can be.Details?<Thumps Emily with a medical textbook>Yep. Quick procedure causing a couple of days of tenderness and no other side effects. Easily reversible.There are also vasectomies.And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.
So much wrong here.
You're weaseling here--obviously I was talking about the sperm that does end up in the vagina, I am saying most of it gets there consensually.Most sperm does not end up in anyone's vagina, consensual or not. Technically speaking.Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
Which has nothing to do with my point.Most is not all.Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
But women do not control men’s ejaculations.
Women have plenty of sex without risking pregnancy. In fact, a woman can have as much sex as she likes without becoming pregnant so long as no man is involved. It's only when sperm is deposited within proximity to an available egg that there's a potential pregnancy.
You're moving the goalposts.Do you have an actual point or is just another irrelevant interjection?Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
But women do not control men’s ejaculations.
Your posts miss the real point - that the woman bears the responsibility of carrying the fetus to term.
You let a penis in, the expectation should be that there will be sperm unless you have previously agreed on withdrawal or have been told there is no sperm.Uh huh. And do you think that consensual sex automatically implies "Yay, please cum inside me!"?Most sperm ends up in her vagina through consensual activity.How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
Or do you think that perhaps, just perhaps, there's a social expectation that women should be the ones who have to always be responsible about ensuring they don't get pregnant, and that men are excused from that responsibility altogether?
Did you even bother to read the article I linked?
But it has everything to do with my premise which started this unfortunate derail that got split into its own thread: every unwanted pregnancy begins with some man’s ejaculation. If men would just control themselves, women would not have to worry about unwanted pregnancies.Which has nothing to do with my point.Most is not all.Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
But women do not control men’s ejaculations.
Women have plenty of sex without risking pregnancy. In fact, a woman can have as much sex as she likes without becoming pregnant so long as no man is involved. It's only when sperm is deposited within proximity to an available egg that there's a potential pregnancy.
And yet, women often engage in sex--voluntarily--that results in unwanted pregnancies.But it has everything to do with my premise which started this unfortunate derail that got split into its own thread: every unwanted pregnancy begins with some man’s ejaculation. If men would just control themselves, women would not have to worry about unwanted pregnancies.Which has nothing to do with my point.Most is not all.Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
But women do not control men’s ejaculations.
Women have plenty of sex without risking pregnancy. In fact, a woman can have as much sex as she likes without becoming pregnant so long as no man is involved. It's only when sperm is deposited within proximity to an available egg that there's a potential pregnancy.
After all, women can enjoy a lot of sex that has not a single thing to do with a penis or ejaculating.
If men want to avoid fathering a child they do not want, they should avoid penis-vagina sex.And yet, women often engage in sex--voluntarily--that results in unwanted pregnancies.But it has everything to do with my premise which started this unfortunate derail that got split into its own thread: every unwanted pregnancy begins with some man’s ejaculation. If men would just control themselves, women would not have to worry about unwanted pregnancies.Which has nothing to do with my point.Most is not all.Most unintended pregnancies are from consensual sex.Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
But women do not control men’s ejaculations.
Women have plenty of sex without risking pregnancy. In fact, a woman can have as much sex as she likes without becoming pregnant so long as no man is involved. It's only when sperm is deposited within proximity to an available egg that there's a potential pregnancy.
After all, women can enjoy a lot of sex that has not a single thing to do with a penis or ejaculating.
If women absolutely want to avoid unwanted pregnancies, they should avoid penis-in-vagina sex.
If women want to avoid getting pregnant they should keep their panties on and avoid penis-vagina sex.If men want to avoid fathering a child they do not want, they should avoid penis-vagina sex.
How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.But not the release of sperm in a vagina.
And yet, women often engage in sex--voluntarily--that results in unwanted pregnancies.
If women absolutely want to avoid unwanted pregnancies, they should avoid penis-in-vagina sex.
Why is it that when y'all say things that Tom the Prude agrees with, it doesn't seem like you're agreeing with me?If men want to avoid fathering a child they do not want, they should avoid penis-vagina sex.
Let me get this straight. In your view, if a woman allows a man to have sex with her, then she is completely 100% responsible for the risk and the burden of his sperm. The man is absolved of responsibility, and it's completely on the shoulders of the woman to make sure she doesn't "get herself knocked up"?You let a penis in, the expectation should be that there will be sperm unless you have previously agreed on withdrawal or have been told there is no sperm.
So the choice is... Either women are held 100% responsible for the outcome, or they shouldn't have sex ever. Men bear none of the responsibility... they just get the pleasure and the fun. If a chick gets herself knocked up, well, that's her fault for having sex, right?And yet, women often engage in sex--voluntarily--that results in unwanted pregnancies.
If women absolutely want to avoid unwanted pregnancies, they should avoid penis-in-vagina sex.
In general, the guys in the thread are saying men and women are both responsible for pregnancies resulting from consensual relations, but not what that actually means to be "responsible" which should be the actual topic.Let me get this straight. In your view, if a woman allows a man to have sex with her, then she is completely 100% responsible for the risk and the burden of his sperm.You let a penis in, the expectation should be that there will be sperm unless you have previously agreed on withdrawal or have been told there is no sperm.
How about this.Let me get this straight. In your view, if a woman allows a man to have sex with her, then she is completely 100% responsible for the risk and the burden of his sperm. The man is absolved of responsibility, and it's completely on the shoulders of the woman to make sure she doesn't "get herself knocked up"?
So the choice is... Either women are held 100% responsible for the outcome, or they shouldn't have sex ever. Men bear none of the responsibility... they just get the pleasure and the fun. If a chick gets herself knocked up, well, that's her fault for having sex, right?And yet, women often engage in sex--voluntarily--that results in unwanted pregnancies.
If women absolutely want to avoid unwanted pregnancies, they should avoid penis-in-vagina sex.
No, it doesn't really.How about this.Let me get this straight. In your view, if a woman allows a man to have sex with her, then she is completely 100% responsible for the risk and the burden of his sperm. The man is absolved of responsibility, and it's completely on the shoulders of the woman to make sure she doesn't "get herself knocked up"?
We leave out the "she is completely 100% responsible" and recognize that there's a bunch of responsibility here.
It takes two to tango, as it were.
Tom