Breakdown In Civil Order

[thebeave]

A wonderful Thanksgiving weekend in Chicago;

Three people were killed and another 40 were shot over the holiday weekend in the latest surge in violent crime. Footage posted online shows a man, who does not appear to have a gun, running through the streets of Chicago as machine gun fire erupts nearby. Hours earlier a man, believed to be in his 20s, was killed in southern Chicago after he was shot several times in the back of his legs. It is not yet know if two incidents were connected. A 50-year-old man was shot in the chest during an attempted robbery on the city's Far South Side and a 22-year-old was struck in the leg by gunfire in the 5500 block of West Belmont Avenue on Sunday morning. Meanwhile video showed a vehicle overturned at the intersection of Huron and Wells after the two people inside were shot during a car chase. So far this year in Chicago, shooting incidents have seen a nine per cent spike, jumping to 3,221 from 2,960 in 2020.

DailyMail

Oakland is not far behind Chicago.* Violent weekend there too. A security guard who was protecting news reporters and equipment while they were reporting on the street in Oakland was shot last week, and died yesterday. Oakland is up to 127 homicides so far this year. Good job, Libby. Keep up the good work.

* Actually, I take that back. Chicago has had 732 homicides so far this year, to Oakland's 127. So, its a long way behind. Still....

 

[TSwizzle]

Police have arrested a 29-year-old Los Angeles man on suspicion of fatally shooting Jacqueline Avant, the wife of legendary music executive Clarence Avant, after he shot himself in the foot during another home burglary. Maynor has an extensive criminal record dating back to 2013 and has served time for robbery and grand theft, TMZ reported. Maynor was on parole at the time of the alleged homicide for a domestic violence case.

DailyMail

This is what California voters were duped in to voting for, letting violent, dangerous thugs out early.

 

[Toni]

I have a feeling that providing the homeless with free first-come-first-serve dorms would be cheaper than the criminal justice costs resulting from not providing this amenity, but that is just an idea.

Absolutely, because prisoners have certain rights and a minimum standard of care, however dismal those standards may be. The homeless are owed little by the government, excepting emergency medical care.

That said, I would be surprised if many of those involved in this shoplifting ring were homeless.

I just figure that giving them a bunk would be cheaper.

New Study Finds that Providing People Experiencing Homelessness with Housing has Positive Impacts on Health, Crime, and Employment

A recently released study by Elior Cohen at UCLA finds that targeted housing assistance to people experiencing homelessness reduces crime, increases employment, and improves health. The study finds that participation in housing programs not only reduces the probability of returning to the...

nlihc.org

A bunk would be cheaper than prison, for certain.

However, many people who are in prison are in prison for actual crimes other than homelessness and petty theft/shoplifting.

If we could eliminate dependence and abuse of drugs and alcohol, we would eliminate a majority of crime. Not simply decriminalized drug use/trafficking. A lot of crimes are committed by drunks not just druggies. We need to seriously address the issues of substance abuse and dependence if we want to reduce the burden on our judicial system. Many/most of those who are charged with crimes have serious substance abuse problems driving the behavior.

 

[ZiprHead]

Police have arrested a 29-year-old Los Angeles man on suspicion of fatally shooting Jacqueline Avant, the wife of legendary music executive Clarence Avant, after he shot himself in the foot during another home burglary. Maynor has an extensive criminal record dating back to 2013 and has served time for robbery and grand theft, TMZ reported. Maynor was on parole at the time of the alleged homicide for a domestic violence case.

DailyMail

This is what California voters were duped in to voting for, letting violent, dangerous thugs out early.

I'm sure you feel if the perp had fully completed his sentence he would have come out a choir boy.

 

[Trausti]

 

[thebeave]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

Just fucking unbelievable.

 

[steve_bank]

It is getting worse in Seattle every week.

I was at a bus stop in downtown Seattle. There was a walk in tent on the sidewalk. People walking up making transactions at te door.

From a local report roughly 1/3 of homeless camps are mental ilnness and drug addiction, 1/3 people gaming the system, and 1/3 a front for crime.

We all know it, yet there is no strong response.

It took over a year to begin to clear a camp on a school property. Meddles, kids being threatened.

Multiple shootings within a few miles of where I live.

Auto theft by stata law is now treated as a misdemeanor not a felony. Auto tefts rise. Drugs have been decriminalized while drug problems increase.

Stores being robbed by smash and grab gangs multiple times.

Our city and county govt refuse to acknowledge the connection to policy.

 

[TSwizzle]

Good news I suppose, an LA man has been arrested in the Jacqueline Avant murder case;

Authorities accused Aariel Maynor of entering the couple’s Trousdale Estates home early Wednesday and shooting Jacqueline Avant with an AR-15 rifle. Police did not disclose a motive for the attack. But hours later, Maynor shot himself in the foot at another home during an alleged burglary attempt, police said, and that is how he was connected to the Avant slaying.

LA Times

 

[bilby]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

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Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

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Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

 

[steve_bank]

Yesterday in an 11 hour period there were 11 shootings in Seattle. One at the corner of 3rd and Pike near the Walgreens where I picked up my meds the day before. Two blocks from Pike Place Market a major tourist area.

Police are saying the same thing across the region. New laws and political guidelines are limiting proactive policing and are failing to jail offenders with multiple assault charges. In one case a non profit paid bail for a high risk offender with a history of violence and assault, who then went out and committed murder.

You can post all the goofy cartoons you like, sooner or later it is going to spread.

 

[lpetrich]

The recent mass robberies, like of the Walnut Creek Nordstrom store, raise a question: how are they coordinated? How do the robbers decide on what to rob and what time to show up? The cops have caught some of the robbers, and they might reveal how they coordinate some of their robberies. Do they have some social-media channel for doing so?

 

[steve_bank]

It is getting worse in Seattle every week.

I was at a bus stop in downtown Seattle. There was a walk in tent on the sidewalk. People walking up making transactions at te door.

From a local report roughly 1/3 of homeless camps are mental ilnness and drug addiction, 1/3 people gaming the system, and 1/3 a front for crime.

We all know it, yet there is no strong response.

It took over a year to begin to clear a camp on a school property. Meddles, kids being threatened.

Multiple shootings within a few miles of where I live.

Auto theft by stata law is now treated as a misdemeanor not a felony. Auto tefts rise. Drugs have been decriminalized while drug problems increase.

Stores being robbed by smash and grab gangs multiple times.

Our city and county govt refuse to acknowledge the connection to policy.

wrong thread

 

[Jarhyn]

The recent mass robberies, like of the Walnut Creek Nordstrom store, raise a question: how are they coordinated? How do the robbers decide on what to rob and what time to show up? The cops have caught some of the robbers, and they might reveal how they coordinate some of their robberies. Do they have some social-media channel for doing so?

I imagine there is a telegram group. If so, it already no longer exists and the members have founded a new channel.

 

[Politesse]

Santa Clara Shoe Store Hit by Large Group of Thieves Twice in Less Than a Week

Police said Monday they are following up on leads after a shoe store in Santa Clara was hit twice in less than a week by a large group of burglars.

www.nbcbayarea.com

Trouble continues. I don't think this is just one group; media storms like this always inspire imitators. This Santa Clara store got hit twice on the same night, which makes me wonder whether there was one planned heist but due to disorganization different groups ended up thinking it was going to happen at different times.

I 've heard that Discord was the platform of choice, but I do not know whether that was fact or rumor. We'll know more when the police finish their investigation, I don't think they'll be talking details while these events are ongoing.

 

[bilby]

Yesterday in an 11 hour period there were 11 shootings in Seattle. One at the corner of 3rd and Pike near the Walgreens where I picked up my meds the day before. Two blocks from Pike Place Market a major tourist area.

Police are saying the same thing across the region. New laws and political guidelines are limiting proactive policing and are failing to jail offenders with multiple assault charges. In one case a non profit paid bail for a high risk offender with a history of violence and assault, who then went out and committed murder.

You can post all the goofy cartoons you like, sooner or later it is going to spread.

Police can say whatever they like; The fact remains that the gun violence in the USA is due to your goofy second amendment, and until that law is amended, repealed, or adjudged by the Supreme Court to say that the bearing of arms is permitted only when doing so is well regulated, and/or as part of a state licensed militia, shootings will continue to be a commonplace in the USA, uniquely amongst wealthy nations.

Of course your police won't ever say that. But it's still true - and as they won't say it, they have to say something. You shouldn't believe it though.

 

[thebeave]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

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Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

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Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

Yep. I understand all that. I'll take my chances on a false arrest rather than take a chance on getting my ass kicked or killed in a robbery, but thanks for caring about my well being anyway.

 

[bilby]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

View attachment 36243

Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

View attachment 36244


Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

Yep. I understand all that. I'll take my chances on a false arrest rather than take a chance on getting my ass kicked or killed in a robbery, but thanks for caring about my well being anyway.

I bet if challenged, you would claim to oppose authoritarian fascist policies; But that is an almost perfect encapsulation of what those policies are. You just outed yourself - and you probably never even knew you were in.

 

[ZiprHead]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

View attachment 36243

Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

View attachment 36244


Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

I remember reading about a kid that got sent to Ryker's Island for stealing a backpack, iirc. Spent three years there without trial and finally killed himself.

Seems there are people here who would think that's just fine.

 

[thebeave]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

View attachment 36243

Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

View attachment 36244


Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

I remember reading about a kid that got sent to Ryker's Island for stealing a backpack, iirc. Spent three years there without trial and finally killed himself.

Seems there are people here who would think that's just fine.

I remember reading on here about an SUV that deliberately ran into dozens of people in a Christmas parade, killing six people, including a six year old boy. The SUV was recently released on a low $1000 bail, after previously having run over the SUV owner's girlfriend.

Seems there are people here who approve of killing little boys.

 

[ZiprHead]

LAPD announces 14 arrests in connection with recent smash-and-grab robberies

After a spate of brazen smash-and-grab robberies left Los Angeles-area retailers and shoppers on edge last month, officials announced Thursday that they had arrested 14 suspects in connection with the crimes.

View attachment 36243

Mayor Eric Garcetti and Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore, joined by other officials and members of the business community at LAPD headquarters, said none of the 14 suspects remains in custody.

One of the suspects is a juvenile, Moore said. The others either posted bail or were released without bail.

View attachment 36244


Just fucking unbelievable.

Oh, no! Not the system working as intended to protect innocent people from being punished for a crime on the mere suspicion of the police! What is the world coming to!

I am sure that if it had been you they arrested, you would be very glad not to be languishing in jail for the time until you are able to clear your name in court.

I mean, the fact that you didn't commit a crime doesn't prevent the police from mistakenly suspecting you, or from arresting you on that suspicion. You do understand that, right?

And if they remanded you in custody, that mistake could totally fuck up your life. You do understand that, right?

Presumption of innocence, until convicted by a court of law, is a fundamental element of the legal system in a free country. That's practically the defining freedom; Without it, a police officer can wield absolute power over anybody for any reason or none. Without it, everybody and anybody, including you and your family, no matter how law abiding they might be, could end up behind bars for several weeks, either because the cops make a mistake, or because they decide that they don't like you.

Calling for suspects not to be released, even on bail, is a call for totalitarianism, and a direct attack on freedom.

If you want to live in that kind of society, China or North Korea may be more suited to your tastes than California.

I remember reading about a kid that got sent to Ryker's Island for stealing a backpack, iirc. Spent three years there without trial and finally killed himself.

Seems there are people here who would think that's just fine.

I remember reading on here about an SUV that deliberately ran into dozens of people in a Christmas parade, killing six people, including a six year old boy. The SUV was recently released on a low $1000 bail, after previously having run over the SUV owner's girlfriend.

Seems there are people here who approve of killing little boys.

How much bail do you think SUV guy needed?