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Racism And Kamala Harris

ZiprHead said:
Emily Lake said:
ZiprHead said:
Elixir said:
Emily Lake said:
what will you do if Trump ends up winning? Are you going to be okay with it?
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Are you suffering from some memory problem?
Fuck no! I can’t speak for anyone else, but you seem to be all alone in being okay with a rapist conman felon fraudster being President.
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Yes. Emily is obviously a supporter but doesn't have the guts to come right out and say it. She worries about guys in women's spaces but supports a guy who entered a women's dressing room and raped a woman.
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I know you're the forum owner and all, but I would expect that you are still bound by the same forum rules, and thus shouldn't be making up lies about members.
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I am giving my opinion. That's not against the forum rules. Accusing someone of lying, however, is.

And I am far from the only person here who has that opinion.
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Then you need to fucking preface your statement with "In my personal and very biased opinion, Emily is a fucking liar who lies about her own views and everything she says is just a fucking lie, but that's just my opinion" instead of what you wrote above. Be clear that it's you own personally imagined speculative opinion.

Because that's what you're doing - you're calling me a liar without actually being honest enough to say it outright. And you're calling me a liar based on your own fucking imagination. What you have imagine to be my state of mind.
 
laughing dog said:
Emily Lake said:
The Democratic Party might represent inclusion and compassion on paper... but its supporters don't seem even remotely shy about wearing their hatred on their sleeves.
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Seriously, are you feeling alright? While we don’t often agree, these bizarre generalizations seem out of character for you to me.
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I'm actually fed up with the hatred I see coming from people I used to view as reasoned liberals. I'm absolutely floored by the number of self-styled progressives who have no problem at all supporting pro-hamas demonstrations in the US, and who make up shallow excuses to support the harassment and intimidation of US citizens who are jewish. I'm absolutely at the end of patience for the volumes of idiots who insist that they are liberals while simultaneously feeling justified in trampling all over free speech, hounding and threatening those who don't adopt their view, and somehow feel that it's just fine to refer to half the goddamned country as being bigots and racists and nazis and fascists.
I'm not a republican, I never have been. There are some topics on which I'm somewhat conservative, but there are plenty of topics on which I'm borderline socialist. But I NEVER get conservatives telling me that I'm evil, insisting that I'm a secret racist, or even going so far as to call me a pink-commie or anything even remotely close to that for my views on education funding, health care delivery, and the like.

But I get called names REGULARLY by progressives for daring to believe that it's not okay to put fully intact male convicts in the same cells as female prisoners. I get called a nazi by LIBERALS because I don't support just carte blanche granting of citizenship to people who entered the country illegally. I get called a fascist for wanting to revamp how we deal with mental health, drug addiction, and homelessness in a way that addresses the issues while also protecting the rights and safety of other citizen - by the exact same people who think they're somehow protecting democracy.

Over the past few years, I have been repeatedly attacked and vilified by die-hard supporters of the Democratic party... often for the horrible heresy of believing that BOTH parties are fucking it up and are no longer serving the interests of the people.

So yeah, I will 100% stand by my observation from personal experience that there are a whole lot of Dem supporters who feel righteously justified in spewing hatred with abandon. You can think that's a bizarre generalization... I think that if you can't acknowledge that the left is just as guilty of platforming hatred as the right, then you've got your head stuck in the sand. Just because they're hating on different things doesn't make it any less hateful.
 
laughing dog said:
Derec said:
pood said:
I could be wrong, but I believe he did limit it to black women. And that was perfectly OK.
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Why is it "perfectly ok" to exclude people based on race and gender? Especially since he had the same racist and sexist limitation on the SCOTUS justice he appointed.

hurtinbuckaroo said:
Elizabeth Warren was on the short list to the very end.
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No, she wasn't. I mean some people may have talked about her, but she never had any chance of getting picked even before the George Floyd insurrection and the desire by the Democratic Party to appease the insurrectionists. She was simply too old - there is no way a 77 year old presidential candidate would pick a 71 year old running mate.

Now women like Amy "Mad Hatter" Klobuchar or Gretchen "mir graut's vor Dir" Whitmer would have been on the short list before the race riots happened, but not afterwards.
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I realize you feel it is clever to make disparaging epithets for people you don’t sgree with, but to some it seems demeaning both towards the targets and to you.
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Um... I don't disagree with you. But your tone policing seems a bit one sided.
 
TomC said:
People talking about top level women, especially in government, as though their gender is their biggest asset and dismissing their accomplishments reminds me of an old trope on the subject.

Sure, Fred Astaire was a great dancer. But Ginger Rodgers did everything he did.
And she did it backwards and in high heels!

Tom
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Reminds me of the non-stop focus on Clinton's "pantsuits" when they had nothing at all to say about what the men were wearing. And I stand by my position that it's not a "pantsuit", it's just a fucking suit. And it deserves no more attention than what color tie Obama was wearing and whether it clashed with is eyes.
 
TomC said:
Remember when one of Trump's supporters, Jan 6, 21, just happened to have a gallows in her purse?
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That's a big purse...


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Jimmy Higgins said:
Swammerdami said:
Emily Lake said:
ZiprHead said:
Elixir said:
Emily Lake said:
what will you do if Trump ends up winning? Are you going to be okay with it?
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Are you suffering from some memory problem?
Fuck no! I can’t speak for anyone else, but you seem to be all alone in being okay with a rapist conman felon fraudster being President.
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Yes. Emily is obviously a supporter but doesn't have the guts to come right out and say it. She worries about guys in women's spaces but supports a guy who entered a women's dressing room and raped a woman.
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I know you're the forum owner and all, but I would expect that you are still bound by the same forum rules, and thus shouldn't be making up lies about members.
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I've no idea whether Emily is a Trump supporter, or simply part of the ignorant and gulled entourage of present-day Trump-supporting Republicans.
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Emily Lake isn't a Trump supporter, but I'm near certain she'd vote in a manner that'd be beneficial for Trump and the Project 2025 movement.
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:rolleyes: Are you taking the position that any vote that isn't for Harris is beneficial to Trump?

These days, I don't actually vote *for* anyone. I end up sifting through the offal and trying to vote for whoever is most likely to do the least long-term damage. The problem is that the two parties (and their various candidates for various offices) stand to do extremely different types of damage in very different ways. So it's not like I'm trying to choose between the pineapple that's going to give me a migraine tomorrow and the apple that will have no effect at all. I'm trying to choose between the chicken in heavy cream that's going to increase my cholesterol but has lower carbs so is better for by blood sugar, and the pasta in primavera that is going to irritate my heartburn and has more carbs but also has some vegetables.

I'm seriously at a point where my greatest hope for US politics is a deadlock that gets nothing at all accomplished. Sure, it's cynical, I know that. But from my point of view, I'd rather have nothing get done that to risk that either side of this shit-show manages to pass things that I think are disastrous and wrongheaded.
 
Elixir said:
Are you NOT okay with a rapist conman felon fraudster being President? It wouldn't take a ton of energy to say so if that were the case.
I could have been mistaken but it's not a lie. Feel free to set me straight if you're NOT okay with The Felon being President.
You have asked that of others, and your reticence to address it yourself is... uh ... shall we say "troubling"?
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All politicians are conmen and fraudsters, so that's irrelevant.

I don't want Trump as president. I didn't want him the first time around, I don't want him now. I also didn't want Biden for a second term, and I'm happy that he's out of it.

On the other hand, I'm absolutely fed the fuck up with being told that I'm "troubling" because I'm not gushing admiration for Dems as a whole, and because I think you guys are way overreacting with your "Trump is going to be a fascist dictator that destroys democracy" rhetoric. It's unrealistic emotional manipulation. If you can't manage to point out Trump's shortfalls without having to resort to absurdly hyperbolic sentimentality while trying to instigate fear and hatred in everyone around you toward not just Trump but ALL conservatives and independents in the nation, that really shows the shallowness of your platform. I'm sick of being over and over told that somehow I'm racist-adjacent or I'm a bigot or borderline-nazi or a secret fascist supporter and all of the other poo-flinging vacuous playground name-calling that I get subjected to for the *gasp* horrible unforgivable sin of not being in love with the fucking Democrats as a whole.
 
Emily Lake said:
:rolleyes: Are you taking the position that any vote that isn't for Harris is beneficial to Trump?
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I'll take that position.

It's unfortunate, but that's the modern American reality. POTUS is not elected by American voters is another unfortunate reality.

Anything other than a vote for Harris is a vote for Trump and all it represents. Anything other than voting for Harris is a vote for her opponents.
Tom

PS ~I was quite deliberate in my pronoun usage.~
 
Patooka said:
bilby said:
How is someone not a supporter of X, if they vote in a manner that benefits X?

In a democracy, ones vote is one of the most powerful ways one can support a candidate.
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You know why. "Voting against their interests," is a common trope in politics. Sometimes when politicians and pundits say it, they're right. But only sometimes.
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I'm always taken aback by the arrogance of people who believe they have been granted special knowledge of what other people's best interests are. Accusations of people "voting against their interests" have always struck me as nothing more than grandstanding wrapped up in conceit.
 
It is quite apparent that when someone has a number of interests that are mutually exclusive, they have to make some choices. Furthermore, it's trivially easy to know in many cases what people's best interests are, because they tell you what their interests are. Knowing those interests is simply a matter of listening.

Sometimes people are cagey about what their actual interests are despite the things they say. Some people claim to want to support women, but then reject supporting a cohort of women, or then go ahead and make votes that amount to selling women up the river.

Clearly, it's neither arrogance or special powers that explain when many people observe something is "against someone's best interest".

It's clear that for the vast majority of tax payers, voting for Republicans is against their best interests in terms of taxes. The Republican voters will generally describe at length their detestation of taxes, and Republicans are well known for increasing the taxes of people who make less than 250k/yr and decreasing the taxes for people who make 1m+.

It is against their interests to vote Republican because they said what their interests were and then what they did deprived them of the tax money they wanted to not pay in taxes.

Generally, voting for someone who is a rapist criminal pedophile is going to be against pretty much everyone's interests, except rapist criminal pedophile enablers (who wish they could get away with it). Still, some people do those things.

In fact, voting for anyone except the one person likely to beat them (assuming "first past the post") is almost certainly also going to evaluate to at least part of a vote for the criminal pedophile rapist.

So that is against their stated interests, too.

Of course, someone could have other interests besides keeping pedophile criminal rapists out of seats of power. I don't know what those interests would be, seeing as the criminal pedophile rapist has committed to policies that enable criminality, pedophilia, and rape (such as eliminating the FBI), but those interests could exist nonetheless.

What is certainly in very few people's best interests is a criminal pedophile rapist being enthroned.
 
Emily Lake said:
You've completely lost sight of your own black and white view of the world, and you're blind to your own partisanship.
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Seriously? I have just perused a few of your comments. The anger and hyperbole doesn't lend itself to a debate. It's just lashing out. Especially when you simply rehash all the tropes you have heard on Fox and the like. Not exactly original thinking. Just sayin'
 
Emily Lake said:
ZiprHead said:
Emily Lake said:
just as *some* of the democratic party platform the elimination of the police and open borders.
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Wrong. That is not anywhere in the Democratic party platform. There are a few extremists that say that sort of stupid shit but NOT the Democratic party. I bet you got that idea from right wing social media.
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Extremists like... AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Kamala Harris, Cori Bush, and Joe Biden? All of whom expressed support for Defund the Police movements in 2020 and 2021. An idea I got from... the things they said and did.

Pointing out that the GOP wants to do stupid fucking things is fine - you're not telling me anything I don't already know. But it's not making me blind to the stupid fucking things that the Dems want to do.

Somewhere along the way, you (and others) seem to have jumped on board the train of thought that says anyone who points out the bad behavior of both parties is actually a closet racist-bigot-nazi-trumpster and that anything they say bad about the Reps is just some kind of special secret smokescreen to cover their inherent badness. You've completely lost sight of your own black and white view of the world, and you're blind to your own partisanship.
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?? Biden has always been against defund the police. Harris made a couple statements where she stated that some resorces might be better on crime prevention in 2020. Nothing since then. And she's consistently supported Biden as he was very vocal supporter of the police. She was a prosecutor for gods sake!

 
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?? Biden has always been against defund the police. Harris made a couple statements where she stated that some resorces might be better on crime prevention in 2020. Nothing since then. And she's consistently supported Biden as he was very vocal supporter of the police. She was a prosecutor for gods sake!

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and from the statistics that i have seen, very few, if any, police forces actually got defunded.
 
Emily Lake said:
ZiprHead said:
Emily Lake said:
just as *some* of the democratic party platform the elimination of the police and open borders.
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Wrong. That is not anywhere in the Democratic party platform. There are a few extremists that say that sort of stupid shit but NOT the Democratic party. I bet you got that idea from right wing social media.
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Extremists like... AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Kamala Harris, Cori Bush, and Joe Biden? All of whom expressed support for Defund the Police movements in 2020 and 2021. An idea I got from... the things they said and did.

Pointing out that the GOP wants to do stupid fucking things is fine - you're not telling me anything I don't already know. But it's not making me blind to the stupid fucking things that the Dems want to do.

Somewhere along the way, you (and others) seem to have jumped on board the train of thought that says anyone who points out the bad behavior of both parties is actually a closet racist-bigot-nazi-trumpster and that anything they say bad about the Reps is just some kind of special secret smokescreen to cover their inherent badness. You've completely lost sight of your own black and white view of the world, and you're blind to your own partisanship.
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Biden never said anything of the sort, despite what cokehead Don Jr.said.

The others wanted to shift funding to things like social workers responding to mental health issues instead of the police, and to educatiuon.

If you are truly a not a Trump supporter, I apologize. However, you constsantly state that both sides are bad yet only criticize the progressive side. So you should be able to see how the confusion arises.
 
Emily Lake said:
laughing dog said:
Emily Lake said:
The Democratic Party might represent inclusion and compassion on paper... but its supporters don't seem even remotely shy about wearing their hatred on their sleeves.
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Seriously, are you feeling alright? While we don’t often agree, these bizarre generalizations seem out of character for you to me.
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I'm actually fed up with the hatred I see coming from people I used to view as reasoned liberals. I'm absolutely floored by the number of self-styled progressives who have no problem at all supporting pro-hamas demonstrations in the US, and who make up shallow excuses to support the harassment and intimidation of US citizens who are jewish. I'm absolutely at the end of patience for the volumes of idiots who insist that they are liberals while simultaneously feeling justified in trampling all over free speech, hounding and threatening those who don't adopt their view, and somehow feel that it's just fine to refer to half the goddamned country as being bigots and racists and nazis and fascists.
I'm not a republican, I never have been. There are some topics on which I'm somewhat conservative, but there are plenty of topics on which I'm borderline socialist. But I NEVER get conservatives telling me that I'm evil, insisting that I'm a secret racist, or even going so far as to call me a pink-commie or anything even remotely close to that for my views on education funding, health care delivery, and the like.

But I get called names REGULARLY by progressives for daring to believe that it's not okay to put fully intact male convicts in the same cells as female prisoners. I get called a nazi by LIBERALS because I don't support just carte blanche granting of citizenship to people who entered the country illegally. I get called a fascist for wanting to revamp how we deal with mental health, drug addiction, and homelessness in a way that addresses the issues while also protecting the rights and safety of other citizen - by the exact same people who think they're somehow protecting democracy.

Over the past few years, I have been repeatedly attacked and vilified by die-hard supporters of the Democratic party... often for the horrible heresy of believing that BOTH parties are fucking it up and are no longer serving the interests of the people.

So yeah, I will 100% stand by my observation from personal experience that there are a whole lot of Dem supporters who feel righteously justified in spewing hatred with abandon. You can think that's a bizarre generalization... I think that if you can't acknowledge that the left is just as guilty of platforming hatred as the right, then you've got your head stuck in the sand. Just because they're hating on different things doesn't make it any less hateful.
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I am sorry you’ve had such miserable experiences. There are lots of shitty people all along the political spectrum-no doubt about that. I guess my experience is not as harsh as yours.

I know lots of self-proclaimed progressives and they do tend to have intolerant tones. But to their credit, their rhetoric snd actions do not come close to the offers of violence that come from the right.

Anyway, I hope your experiences lighten up because this heightened cynicism of yours worries me for your wellbeing.
 
ZiprHead said:
If you are truly a not a Trump supporter, I apologize. However, you constsantly state that both sides are bad yet only criticize the progressive side. So you should be able to see how the confusion arises.
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It’s just that … it gets old. The whataboutisms, the false equivalences, the misinformation, the … uh, indescribably absurd assertion that IIDB is her primary news source..,
It’s possible that Emily just wishes everyone would stop fighting and hear each other out and is actually involved only to promote equitable treatment of both political sides, given all she has learned by getting her news mainly from IIDB.
I guess.
 
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