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Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

Damn. Luckily I am not going into the city today (I was there yesterday).

Hope they catch the bastard soon.
 
Copernicus said:
I did a little more research on Oropesa's background and the AR-15. It turns out that he was known by the police to use a ".223 rifle", which is a typical description of an AR-15, since that is the most popular ammunition for these guns.
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There are other, non-AR15 and not scary looking rifles that use that same cartridge.
The police visited him multiple times because of complaints, but had apparently lost interest in continuing with those visits. This is Texas, so they may have felt powerless to do anything about him. He seems to be in the US illegally and has multiple arrests for illegal re-entry in his record.
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So are you saying he should have been deported? Could not agree more, but this might be the first time a leftist on here has argued that an illegal should be deported.

This is the Uvalde state with Republicans in full charge for a long time.
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It would be the local police responding to these matters, not Texas Rangers.
That it is the same state as Uvalde does not matter much. This is on city (or county) police, just like in Uvalde.

Given all their issues with illegal immigration and crime, what have they done to make the place safer?
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Well, they certainly should have checked his legal status and arrested and deported him.

They've made it easier for people like this man to arm himself with an assault weapon, threaten his neighbors, and finally end up killing them.
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He could have just as easily shot a handgun, or a different type of rifle, in the air and killed his neighbors. There is nothing in this crime that required an AR15, or was even made easier by the use of such a rifle. So why do media keep emphasizing this fact? And not emphasizing the type of weapon used in most gun crimes (including most mass shootings) including the new shooting in Atlanta? I think it is because of the anti-AR15 propaganda they are engaged in.

Gun control should focus on people, not the type of weapon. This guy is a bad hombre, and should never have been in the US. We need to make it easier to deport illegals. We also need some sort of licensing akin to driver's licenses. Police should easily look up your status and determine whether you are legally allowed to own or possess firearms.

because they blame Democrats for all the illegal immigrants (the ones seeking asylum from violence in their own countries and entering the US legally, that is).
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To be fair, Dems have been pushing for more rights for illegals, including freedom from deportation and outright "sanctuary" in many cities and even states. And asylum system is much abused, with most so-called "asylum seekers" being economic migrants. Many are even gang members (MS-13).
The whole concept of asylum was conceived to help those politically persecuted in their home countries. It was never meant to facilitate large scale migration as is happening in US and Europe, where millions are coming illegally and are using magic words "asylum" to forestall deportation indefinitely even if they are only migrating for economic reasons.
 
Atlanta police are investigating whether a vehicle taken from the area of 14th Street and Williams Street is related to the shooting at the Northside Hospital Midtown medical office building that left four wounded and one dead.

The carjacking happened “not long after the shooting,” which was first reported at 12:37 p.m., according to Atlanta police. The vehicle was initially thought to have been recovered in Cobb County, but police said they are still looking for it.

“We are working to locate the carjacked vehicle and to determine whether it is connected to the shooting in any way,” a police spokesperson said in an updated statement.

Police have identified Deion Patterson, 24, as the shooting suspect. Patterson remains at large and is considered armed and dangerous, according to police.
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https://www.ajc.com/live-updates/ne...-shooter-reported/#MMMVDNAVAFELLNI3BJO2SVFV2Q




Midtown streets remained blocked for hours Wednesday afternoon during the police investigation.

People were asked to avoid West Peachtree, Spring and Peachtree streets, according to the WSB Radio traffic center.

“Traffic is slow on I-75/85 both ways because of this, so people should avoid downtown Atlanta,” Doug Turnbull, traffic reporter, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “Use I-285. If people need to get into town, use Northside, Piedmont or Monroe and stay out of the heart of Midtown.”
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It's also been reported that 3 of the other victims are in critical condition. The shelter in place order has been lifted as the area where the shooting occurred is no longer considered dangerous, as they don't believe the shooter is still in the area. What a horrible day for the city of Atlanta.
 
Toni said:
The suspect frequently fired his AK-15 in his yard. That’s an entirely different question: why was anyone allowed to fire a weapon for fun in a neighborhood of homes? That is inherently dangerous! Also something that police are often unwilling to confront.
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When they do confront it, it often leads to the shooter getting shot by police. And if he is black, it leads to protests.
Example: Thurman Blevins. Shot a gun (not an evil AR-15, so it's fine?) into the air. Police responded, he took off running with the gun. Fired shots while running. Police shot him in turn. Protests.
Activists block trains, protest Minneapolis police shooting

He was frequently seen doing it and was prompted in his bloody rampage to murder 5 people when asked to not do it at night when the baby was trying to sleep. He used the same gun. There were survivors aka witnesses. Additionally, I would guess that there are records of him owning such a weapon.
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But he could have done it with any weapon. It's not like the greater range, accuracy or muzzle velocity of a rifle matters when you are shooting defenseless people at point blank range. Again, it's about people, not whether he used a Glock 19, a Colt 45 revolver or an AR-15.
 
Derec said:
Toni said:
The suspect frequently fired his AK-15 in his yard. That’s an entirely different question: why was anyone allowed to fire a weapon for fun in a neighborhood of homes? That is inherently dangerous! Also something that police are often unwilling to confront.
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When they do confront it, it often leads to the shooter getting shot by police. And if he is black, it leads to protests.
Example: Thurman Blevins. Shot a gun (not an evil AR-15, so it's fine?) into the air. Police responded, he took off running with the gun. Fired shots while running. Police shot him in turn. Protests.
Activists block trains, protest Minneapolis police shooting

He was frequently seen doing it and was prompted in his bloody rampage to murder 5 people when asked to not do it at night when the baby was trying to sleep. He used the same gun. There were survivors aka witnesses. Additionally, I would guess that there are records of him owning such a weapon.
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But he could have done it with any weapon. It's not like the greater range, accuracy or muzzle velocity of a rifle matters when you are shooting defenseless people at point blank range. Again, it's about people, not whether he used a Glock 19, a Colt 45 revolver or an AR-15.
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Yes, there are weapons other than an AK 15 with which he could have murdered 5 people. No, he could not have done it with 'any weapon.' For instance, if he had had a switchblade, it is most likely that he would have been overpowered before he was able to murder 5 people. Possibly, even probably, at least one of his victims might have been killed or severely injured before he was overpowered. Suppose he had a twelve gage shot gun: It is not likely he could have murdered so many people so quickly. Nor is it likely that he could have done so with a baseball bat. Or a cinder block.

The fact that he had a semi-automatic weapon allowed him to murder 5 people with great speed, sufficient to allow him to escape after he had killed them.

And I'm also pretty sure that the brave, brave police would have shown up in time to capture him before he murdered all 5 of them if he had been armed with say, a paring knife.
 
Toni said:
I'm also pretty sure that the brave, brave police would have shown up in time to capture him before he murdered all 5 of them if he had been armed with say, a paring knife.
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Depends how big a paring knife.
 
“It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.”
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It is unlikely that this murderer, regardless of his military background, could have killed five and gotten away with it with a handgun, and almost certainly not if he had place all of his shots in identical locations on the victims. Lethality of an AR15 round is far greater than that of any handgun, RW extremists' dissent notwithstanding.
 
Derec said:
There are other, non-AR15 and not scary looking rifles that use that same cartridge.
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Good point. That is likely part of the reason that so many gun lovers prefer to own this weapon rather than those that look like genuine hunting rifles and maybe don't fit high capacity magazines. According to the NRA, the AR-15 is the popular type of rifle for gun owners now. Unfortunately, it has become a prestige as a status symbol. This particular one leaves a small hole on entry and a large hole on exit, pretty much guaranteeing that it is more lethal than a civilian ought to need. So that's another factor that might attract the dreamers among gun owners. They could use such a weapon, if attacked by government forces, but it can also be used for hunting. Very versatile and lightweight.


Derec said:
So are you saying he should have been deported? Could not agree more, but this might be the first time a leftist on here has argued that an illegal should be deported.
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Rubbish. Nobody is arguing against deporting gun-toting illegals, except maybe the gun-loving libertarians in GOP cuckoo land. They could see a need for someone to practice shooting an assault weapon at all hours and disturbing his immigrant neighbors. The police could have made the effort to check the guy's background. Did he have a right to own that gun? Even in Texas, there are some people who cannot legally own guns.


Derec said:
He could have just as easily shot a handgun, or a different type of rifle, in the air and killed his neighbors. There is nothing in this crime that required an AR15, or was even made easier by the use of such a rifle. So why do media keep emphasizing this fact? And not emphasizing the type of weapon used in most gun crimes (including most mass shootings) including the new shooting in Atlanta? I think it is because of the anti-AR15 propaganda they are engaged in.
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Maybe you can write the guy and tell him that. I'm sure he'll have lots of time to read your letters while sitting in a jail cell. You are still wrong about trusting those pie charts from the pro-gun propaganda site to inform you about types of guns used in mass shootings. A classic example of using statistics to lie. They mixed years when the gun ban was in effect against years after it had expired. No attempt was made to examine the effect of gun types on numbers of dead and wounded.


Derec said:
Gun control should focus on people, not the type of weapon. This guy is a bad hombre, and should never have been in the US. We need to make it easier to deport illegals. We also need some sort of licensing akin to driver's licenses. Police should easily look up your status and determine whether you are legally allowed to own or possess firearms.
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I agree that we need immigration reform, and some moderate Republicans have favored that in the past, notably GW Bush. I also agree strongly with you on licensing and status checks. You won't usually find any opposition from liberals on those issues. There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't examine the effect that types of weapons have on public safety, and I recommend that you look at both sides of that argument. As for what "gun control" should focus on, the answer is in the name. It is about gun control, not people control. I'm not sure what you could possibly have in mind for detecting "bad people" and preventing them from legally owning guns. It makes more sense to control access to ammunition and weapons, since there is no obvious way to detect mass murderers before they buy their weapons.


Derec said:
To be fair, Dems have been pushing for more rights for illegals, including freedom from deportation and outright "sanctuary" in many cities and even states. And asylum system is much abused, with most so-called "asylum seekers" being economic migrants. Many are even gang members (MS-13).
The whole concept of asylum was conceived to help those politically persecuted in their home countries. It was never meant to facilitate large scale migration as is happening in US and Europe, where millions are coming illegally and are using magic words "asylum" to forestall deportation indefinitely even if they are only migrating for economic reasons.
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Asylum seekers have nothing to do with this issue. Let's not get into a derail over red herrings.
 
Elixir said:
Hmmm. The Shooting Belt looks spookily like the Bible Belt.
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NYC, DC and LA are in the Bible Belt? Looks more like the dots follow population density.
More specifically, black population density.
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Not PC, but FC (factually correct).
 
Considering the fact that well more than hald of those mass shootings were committed by whites, observing that their targets were predominately regions with many black communities is not actually sending the unspoken message you wish that it were...
 
Politesse said:
Considering the fact that well more than hald of those mass shootings were committed by whites,
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Ugh. Wrong chart type for this data. Pie chart would have been better, with both number and percentage. Note that 52% of this data are committed by whites, well below white share of population. That means that whites are actually underrepresented among mass shooters. Blacks account for 17-18%, and are thus overrepresented.

"Mass shooting" as a concept is not well defined. I posted the various definitions before. Here is it again:
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The link you just posted uses a very restrictive definition, since they only count 142 mass shootings over 41 years (<3.5 mass shootings per year) while your map (from Gun Violence Database, which does not break their data down by race sadly) uses a much more expansive definition as they have a bunch of dots for the first four months of this year alone. You can't compare apples and oranges. You can't at the same time claim there were 142 shootings in 41 years and that there were 601 mass shootings in a single year like NPR is here:
America has seen at least 601 mass shootings so far in 2022

I wonder what the racial breakdown for the more expansively defined mass shootings would be. Since the data statista used seems to come from Mother Jones' data set, I suspect they chose their very restrictive definition of "mass shooting" to maximize the percentage of white mass shooters, as that fits their left-wing agenda. Including a bigger number of shootings would include a lot of gangland shootouts that would shift the racial breakdown.

I also found this article. It challenges the pervasive idea in the media that mass shooters are disproportionally white:
Diversity in Devastation: Media Myths and Mass Shooter Demographics
It uses Gun Violence Database, the same source that your map (with the dots) comes from:
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An analysis of recent mass shootings bears this out. Of the 46 mass shooters in the Gun Violence Archive database for March 2021, 2% (1) was committed by a White male; 8% (4) were committed by Hispanics; 45% (21) were committed by African Americans; and in 43%, or 20 cases, the attacker’s race is unknown.

In January 2019 I conducted an identical analysis, finding total of 25 American mass shootings. Of the 25 mass shootings in the Gun Violence Archive database, 16% (4) of them were committed by white males; 4% (1) was committed by a Hispanic man; 64% (16) were committed by African Americans; and in 16%, or 4 cases, the attacker’s race is unknown.
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And a paper linked in the article has the following breakdown (the paper itself is paywalled)
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observing that their targets were predominately regions with many black communities is not actually sending the unspoken message you wish that it were...
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The message is that blacks commit disproportionate number of homicides, including mass shootings. That is a fact that will not change until we stop making excuses. And stop pretending that it is not true.
For one, your map and my map track pretty well. Why do you think that is?
 
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