Breakdown In Civil Order

[Jimmy Higgins]

Reagan waaaaahhhhhh, Reagan, waaaaaahhhh!! Pathetic. Newsom was blaming Schwarzenegger the other day!! He's been out of office for more than decade!! Pathetic.

Reagan let the mentally ill out on the streets of California as Governor. Then helped that happen across America as President. So yeah, Reagan's fault! And you (among most conservatives) are too cheap to want to do anything about it. But the weather is 70 degrees, so why are you so grumpy?

 

[TSwizzle]

Reagan waaaaahhhhhh, Reagan, waaaaaahhhh!! Pathetic. Newsom was blaming Schwarzenegger the other day!! He's been out of office for more than decade!! Pathetic.

Reagan let the mentally ill out on the streets of California as Governor. Then helped that happen across America as President. So yeah, Reagan's fault! And you (among most conservatives) are too cheap to want to do anything about it. But the weather is 70 degrees, so why are you so grumpy?

The man has been dead for 20 years.

Waaaaahhhhh, Reagan waaaaaaaa!!!! Sing a new song or better yet, fix this shit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When people realize they supported and voted for the very people who helped create the problems they complain about all the time... tonight at 11.

 

[TSwizzle]

When people realize they supported and voted for the very people who helped create the problems they complain about all the time... tonight at 11.

Reagan has been dead longer than I have been able to vote.

Waaaaahhhhhh Reagan, waaaaaahhhhh Reagan !!!!

 

[Derec]

Reagan getting elected is closer to the beginning of WWII (September 1939) than it is to present day.
Feeling old yet?

 

[Derec]

Reagan let the mentally ill out on the streets of California as Governor. Then helped that happen across America as President. So yeah, Reagan's fault!

Any reputable citations that it was only Reagan's fault?
Yes, he did sign the Lanterman–Petris–Short Act. However, Petris and Short were Democrats.
It was a bipartisan effort that broke the system, and needs a bipartisan solution to fix. We need more funding for mental health. At the same time, the pendulum has swung too far into making it difficult to involuntarily commit people like Neely.

And you (among most conservatives) are too cheap to want to do anything about it.

I agree that conservatives are as reluctant for government to spend money even when appropriate as "liberals" are to spend money even when inappropriate (see the $3.5T B³ bill).

 

[Derec]

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

If it was impossible to place him in a closed psychiatric facility (essentially a nice jail with more shrinks) then that's exactly where he belongs rather than being let out into the streets to keep assaulting random people over and over again.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence.

According to the reports I have seen, he was both threatening violence as well as throwing objects (trash) at people. That's more than just a meltdown. That's assault.

If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

I am pretty sure he did have a legitimate reason to restrain him. The question is: does him accidentally killing Neely in the process amount to 2nd degree manslaughter?

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

So in this Western, which color hat does Alvin Bragg wear? Or is he more of a Hedy Lamarr type character - a corrupt government official?

 

[laughing dog]

If it was impossible to place him in a closed psychiatric facility (essentially a nice jail with more shrinks) then that's exactly where he belongs rather than being let out into the streets to keep assaulting random people over and over again.

Riight, so he can be assaulted in jail.

According to the reports I have seen, he was both threatening violence as well as throwing objects (trash) at people. That's more than just a meltdown. That's assault.

Talk is cheap and doesn’t justify physical restraint. Throwing trash is pretty trivial “assault” - certainly doesn’t justify putting someone in a chokehold

I am pretty sure he did have a legitimate reason to restrain him. The question is: does him accidentally killing Neely in the process amount to 2nd degree manslaughter?

How do you know it was an accident? If Mr Penny doesn’t know how to restrain someone in a chokehold without killing him, he had no business using one.

 

[bilby]

Decisions were made by the Reagan administration that have seriously hamstrung the ability to provide people the help they need.

FFS, get a grip. Reagan has been dead for 20 years and out of office for 30.

By this reasoning, the US Constitution is null and void. It's authors have been dead for ten times as long as Ronnie.

 

[TSwizzle]

Another one bites the dust;

AT&T has announced that it is shuttering its flagship store in downtown San Francisco in yet another blow to the city's struggling retail sector. The store at 1 Powell Street in the city's Union Square shopping district is one of the largest in the country and will close on August 1, a spokesperson confirmed. It is the latest episode in San Francisco's retail apocalypse, which has seen numerous high street retailers abandon the city's downtown area amid rising theft and homelessness, which has also driven away customers.

Daily Mail

We did it Ronnie!!!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Decisions were made by the Reagan administration that have seriously hamstrung the ability to provide people the help they need.

FFS, get a grip. Reagan has been dead for 20 years and out of office for 30.

He caused it. Nobody wants to pay the costs of fixing it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How would any rational person foresee that a person having a meltdown on a subway would be needlessly choked to death?

People who engage in violent crime against random strangers - like Neely had done on at least four occasions (once breaking an old woman's bones!) - puts himself in greater danger of being harmed due to his behavior.

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence. If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

He had a repeated history of harming people in his meltdowns.

 

[laughing dog]

How would any rational person foresee that a person having a meltdown on a subway would be needlessly choked to death?

People who engage in violent crime against random strangers - like Neely had done on at least four occasions (once breaking an old woman's bones!) - puts himself in greater danger of being harmed due to his behavior.

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence. If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

He had a repeated history of harming people in his meltdowns.

Assuming you are correct, you know Mr Penny this because….?

 

[ZiprHead]

How would any rational person foresee that a person having a meltdown on a subway would be needlessly choked to death?

People who engage in violent crime against random strangers - like Neely had done on at least four occasions (once breaking an old woman's bones!) - puts himself in greater danger of being harmed due to his behavior.

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence. If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

He had a repeated history of harming people in his meltdowns.

Did Mr. Penny know that at the time?

 

[TomC]

Did Mr. Penny know that at the time?

Did Neely?
His family?
City Authorities?

Anybody?

Why did Penny get stuck dealing with Neely's problems?
When N's family wouldn't, the cops wouldn't, the city wouldn't, the mental health care system wouldn't, nobody as far as I can tell.

Penny got stuck with it. And he didn't know what he was doing, so it went very badly.

How hard is this to understand?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

It is absurd to claim Mr Penny was stuck a problem. He was not required to act - Mr Neely had not attacked anyone.

Mr Penny did not have to choke Nr Neely to death. Apparently that is a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Toni]

"Nelson's a troubled, lonely, sad little boy. He needs to be isolated from everyone." - Marge Simpson

Some people need to be isolated from everyone. Like  Willie Bosket
.

I heard people like Boskert described this way: “Some people were never virgins; they were fucked before they were ever born”

Reading the Wiki entry, this seems amply true of Bosert.

 

[Toni]

And how will "demonizing" the children help?

First of all, 16 or 17 year olds, even 15 year olds, are hardly "children". They should know better, and when they should be held responsible for their actions. What people like "Brandon Johnson" calls "demonizing" is merely prosecuting them for crimes, be their violence against people or against property, that they commit. They should not be given a pass for being under 18 (or even under 25 as some want).

People who are 15, 15, and 17 are minors, not given the rights, the privileges or the responsibilities of adults because they are not adults. They are still undergoing puberty. Their brains have not finished developing. They lack the brain development and maturity to consistently engage in long term planning, and anticipating consequences, among other higher order tasks.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How would any rational person foresee that a person having a meltdown on a subway would be needlessly choked to death?

People who engage in violent crime against random strangers - like Neely had done on at least four occasions (once breaking an old woman's bones!) - puts himself in greater danger of being harmed due to his behavior.

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence. If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

He had a repeated history of harming people in his meltdowns.

Assuming you are correct, you know Mr Penny this because….?

You are assuming the meltdowns aren't a hazard to others. I'm showing that assumption is false.

 

[laughing dog]

How would any rational person foresee that a person having a meltdown on a subway would be needlessly choked to death?

People who engage in violent crime against random strangers - like Neely had done on at least four occasions (once breaking an old woman's bones!) - puts himself in greater danger of being harmed due to his behavior.

As Jimmy pointed out, mentally ill people don’t necessarily belong in jail or prison.

According to the reports I have seen, Mr Neely was having a meltdown. Unpleasant to witness and maybe scary, but he was not threatening violence. If those reports are accurate, Mr Penny had no business assaulting Mr Neely,let alone using a chokehold that killed him.

But hey, another disposable human was taken out if the way. Just another example of the guy in the white ‘hat’ ridding the town of the man in the “black” hat, so you cheer it on.

He had a repeated history of harming people in his meltdowns.

Assuming you are correct, you know Mr Penny this because….?

You are assuming the meltdowns aren't a hazard to others. I'm showing that assumption is false.

I assumed a meltdown is not necessarily a hazard to anyone. You did not address that at all.

Furthermore, a hazard does not necessarily require killing anyone.