Breakdown In Civil Order

[thebeave]

Man killed by stranger he bumped into on NYC sidewalk, police say | NBC New York

Anyone want to take a bet as to whether the killer in this incident gets as much nationwide attention and negative press as Neely? I wonder how many hundreds of protestors will take to the streets of NYC in protest of this outrageous act?

Wait... I thought the DAs were progressive and didn't hold people responsible for this shit? The Police and DA took what was initially interpreted as an accidental death, discovered there was something that actually led to the fall and subsequent head trauma followed by no immediate medical attention led to his death. The man who punched him is in custody and charged.

They often don't. There are many examples of violent thugs being released back out on the streets or given light sentences after committing violent crimes. In this case, so far anyway, they have done their due diligence. Time will tell whether he gets the sentence he deserves.

But if you read what I actually wrote, that was not part of my point. The fact is, both Neely's death and the death of this sucker punched man (Charles Cunningham) are to different degress, senseless and unfortunate. I think reasonable people would say that the circumstances behind the death of Cunningham was far more egregious and tragic than that of Neely. Yet, Neely's killer has been on national TV news and and with Cunningham's killer (and the many, many others like him) its been mostly crickets. The Neely story will continue to grab headlines through the end of the trial and beyond (especially if he's found not guilty), but I suspect we will never hear anything again about the Cunningham trial. I guess it just all seems kind of backwards to me.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Man killed by stranger he bumped into on NYC sidewalk, police say | NBC New York

Anyone want to take a bet as to whether the killer in this incident gets as much nationwide attention and negative press as Neely? I wonder how many hundreds of protestors will take to the streets of NYC in protest of this outrageous act?

Wait... I thought the DAs were progressive and didn't hold people responsible for this shit? The Police and DA took what was initially interpreted as an accidental death, discovered there was something that actually led to the fall and subsequent head trauma followed by no immediate medical attention led to his death. The man who punched him is in custody and charged.

They often don't. There are many examples of violent thugs being released back out on the streets or given light sentences after committing violent crimes. In this case, so far anyway, they have done their due diligence. Time will tell whether he gets the sentence he deserves.

But if you read what I actually wrote, that was not part of my point. The fact is, both Neely's death and the death of this sucker punched man (Charles Cunningham) are to different degress, senseless and unfortunate. I think reasonable people would say that the circumstances behind the death of Cunningham was far more egregious and tragic than that of Neely. Yet, Neely's killer has been on national TV news and and with Cunningham's killer (and the many, many others like him) its been mostly crickets. The Neely story will continue to grab headlines through the end of the trial and beyond (especially if he's found not guilty), but I suspect we will never hear anything again about the Cunningham trial. I guess it just all seems kind of backwards to me.

Because it's not news when one of the land mines goes off. That's too common to be news.

 

[TSwizzle]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

 

[lostone]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

So how do you propose we home those homeless people, what do we do with them? You want them to disappear? Humanely? How?

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Politesse]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

"Puts a stop" to what? How?

 

[bilby]

"Puts a stop" to what? How?

Well the problem is homeless people and drug addicts making life unpleasant for decent middle class folk.

So the obvious preliminary solution is to round them up and put them in some kind of camps, until a Final Solution can be implemented.

 

[ZiprHead]

"Puts a stop" to what? How?

Well the problem is homeless people and drug addicts making life unpleasant for decent middle class folk.

So the obvious preliminary solution is to round them up and put them in some kind of camps, until a Final Solution can be implemented.

Don't give them ideas.

 

[TSwizzle]

According to the Seattle City Attorney’s Office, there were 589 overdose deaths in Seattle in 2022, up 72 percent from 2021. Overall violent crime has remained persistently high in the city, with 2022 marking the deadliest year for the homeless population in King County, which encompasses Seattle. The year saw 310 deaths in the homeless community, a 65 percent spike from 2021, including at least 18 homicides and 160 fentanyl-related overdoses, according to the King County Medical Examiner's Office.

Daily Mail

The new normal.

 

[ZiprHead]

How would you know what is normal in Seattle when you're 1,100 miles away in southern California?

 

[Politesse]

The root of the problem: when you're working full time, but cannot afford the basic necessities of life, what ground is there for maintaining a civil society?

Ask The Standard: How Many Homeless People in SF Have Jobs?

Contrary to popular belief, some of San Francisco's unhoused are employed.

sfstandard.com

"According to the San Francisco Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing’s 2022 Point-in-Time Count report, about 17% of San Francisco’s 7,754 homeless people said they were employed full-time, part-time or sporadically."

 

[TSwizzle]

Of the homeless who said they were employed, 56% reported a monthly income between $450 and $1,499. Only 6% of those who said they were employed reported incomes of less than $99 monthly, the report added.

ffs, who considers an income of $99 as being full time employed? Unless of course you consider taking soda cans to the recycle center for the $.05 CRV as being "employed".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Of the homeless who said they were employed, 56% reported a monthly income between $450 and $1,499. Only 6% of those who said they were employed reported incomes of less than $99 monthly, the report added.

ffs, who considers an income of $99 as being full time employed? Unless of course you consider taking soda cans to the recycle center for the $.05 CRV as being "employed".

Not "fully employed", but rather "employed". And $99 a month does seem to be too low to be employed anywhere.

But I'm glad you concentrated on the part of the 1 in 16 people surveyed, and ignored the 9 of 16 people making more than $450 a month. And the issue that being homeless makes getting a job harder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

What is the Daily Mail's plan to do about fentanyl, how it gets into the US and onto the streets? Fentanyl is extraordinarily addictive, easy to access, cheap, and can be easily OD'd on. That drug users are dying because of it is not a surprise.

The trouble is, bitching about it and whining about Government isn't really a solution to the problem. Locking up drug abusers also did not solve the problem on drug use. Name calling, also has not solved the problem. And since when did you give two fucks about homeless people (that aren't encroaching on your property)?

Does The Daily Mail just need to report on it and then the drooling starts... much like the ranting hysterics regarding transgenders?

 

[Shadowy Man]

But I'm glad you concentrated on the part of the 1 in 16 people surveyed, and ignored the 9 of 16 people making more than $450 a month. And the issue that being homeless makes getting a job harder.

Can you truly understand a distribution if you don't examine the behavior of the statistical outliers? For example, how can we understand global climate change if we don't understand why Santa Monica's weather stays so good?

 

[cycomiko]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

As a resident of WA who is in Seattle 4-5 days per week, I can assure you it's not as dystopian as your awful choice of news provider leads you to believe. The city council vote does not make public drug use legal. It just doesn't expand the powers of the city attorney. Public drug use is illegal at a state level and has always been prosecuted by the King County attorney which will continue to be the case.

The council members voted against it because they felt it would create a new War on Drugs and we all know which side won that war. The members want a plan to actually help the homeless people rather than just tossing them in jail.

 

[ZiprHead]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

As a resident of WA who is in Seattle 4-5 days per week, I can assure you it's not as dystopian as your awful choice of news provider leads you to believe. The city council vote does not make public drug use legal. It just doesn't expand the powers of the city attorney. Public drug use is illegal at a state level and has always been prosecuted by the King County attorney which will continue to be the case.

The council members voted against it because they felt it would create a new War on Drugs and we all know which side won that war. The members want a plan to actually help the homeless people rather than just tossing them in jail.

Don't bother explaining what's really going on to Swizzle. He uses the Mail because it tells him what he wants to hear. That most of the time it's just plain bullshit doesn't matter. That it soothes his fee-fees and corroborates his feelings about liberals is all that matters.

 

[Politesse]

Of the homeless who said they were employed, 56% reported a monthly income between $450 and $1,499. Only 6% of those who said they were employed reported incomes of less than $99 monthly, the report added.

ffs, who considers an income of $99 as being full time employed? Unless of course you consider taking soda cans to the recycle center for the $.05 CRV as being "employed".

That's the entire problem, dude. A person working full time should not, in fact, be desperately poor.

And you may think your shit doesn't stink but I don't see you sorting the recycling, or the many other jobs we rely on lower class people to do. Your comfy lifestyle is the product of the labor of the poor people you despise so much, and you would miss them if they were gone, at least instrumentally when you take your can out to the street and no one magically appears to take your avalanche of plastic refuse away. I will never understand how quickly conservatives pivot between accusing liberals of so-called "elitism", then turning around and openly treating anyone who makes less money than them like their lives mean less than the dirt under your feet.

 

[TSwizzle]

Of the homeless who said they were employed, 56% reported a monthly income between $450 and $1,499. Only 6% of those who said they were employed reported incomes of less than $99 monthly, the report added.

ffs, who considers an income of $99 as being full time employed? Unless of course you consider taking soda cans to the recycle center for the $.05 CRV as being "employed".

That's the entire problem, dude. A person working full time should not, in fact, be desperately poor.

A monthly income of between $450 and $1,499 doesn't sound like a full time job. That's not even CA minimum wage.

And you may think your shit doesn't stink but I don't see you sorting the recycling,

Eh? As much as an inconvenience and annoyance that it is, I do take my soda cans and bottles to the recycle center to claim my CRV back from the state of California. Am I supposed to get a job with the city sanitary department or something?

Your comfy lifestyle is the product of the labor of the poor people you despise so much, and you would miss them if they were gone, at least instrumentally when you take your can out to the street and no one magically appears to take your avalanche of plastic refuse away.

My "comfy lifestyle" is down to me training for an in demand skill and my life choices. And as stated earlier, I take my plastic waste to the recycle center to get the stupid CRV back. My trash is picked up by the city and is paid for out of the exorbitant taxes I pay in California.

 

[Politesse]

My "comfy lifestyle" is down to me training for an in demand skill and my life choices

More elitist crap. Getting babied by your society doesn't make you a better person, you just won the luck of the die.