Breakdown In Civil Order

[bilby]

The DM has operations in the USA.

So do the FSB and GRU. That's not a reason to make their propaganda work any easier than it already is.

 

[Politesse]

TSwizzle, last I checked, the DailyMail was not a "Republican" publication. It is a British paper, they have their own political parties over there.

Am I not to assume that the locals the DM quoted were republicans? Surely only republicans whine about feces, needles and tents on the sidewalk.

The DM has operations in the USA.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The DM does present things in a negative light but the fact is, there are serious problems and the problems are getting worse.

No one denies that the city "has problems". All cities do. But lying about the scope, nature, and causes of those problems, then refusing to actually do anything tangible to solve any of the real or imagined problems, is worse than useless.

Yup. If you fail to understand the cause of the problem you're not going to have much luck solving it. You'll just waste effort on basically useless "solutions".

This often happens because the root cause is expensive to address and it also tends to happen when the root cause has no good fix--they want to be seen doing something and thus engage in slapping on band-aids.

 

[TSwizzle]

TSwizzle, last I checked, the DailyMail was not a "Republican" publication. It is a British paper, they have their own political parties over there.

Am I not to assume that the locals the DM quoted were republicans? Surely only republicans whine about feces, needles and tents on the sidewalk.

The DM has operations in the USA.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

 

[Politesse]

TSwizzle, last I checked, the DailyMail was not a "Republican" publication. It is a British paper, they have their own political parties over there.

Am I not to assume that the locals the DM quoted were republicans? Surely only republicans whine about feces, needles and tents on the sidewalk.

The DM has operations in the USA.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

What are you talking about? That doesn't even resemble my perspective.

 

[Emily Lake]

TSwizzle, last I checked, the DailyMail was not a "Republican" publication. It is a British paper, they have their own political parties over there.

Am I not to assume that the locals the DM quoted were republicans? Surely only republicans whine about feces, needles and tents on the sidewalk.

The DM has operations in the USA.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

What are you talking about? That doesn't even resemble my perspective.

I don't read every thread. When was the last time that you called out an obvious democrat supporter for bad behavior? When was the last time you criticized someone's actions/behavior without assuming their political affiliation?

 

[TSwizzle]

What are you doing about housing insecurity, TSwizzle? What is anyone in your entire pointless political party doing about housing insecurity? You're rehashing old myths and whining like you think you are the real victim somehow, while the few of us who actually care about shit roll up our sleeves, put on our adult boots and do something about the social challenges we face. The Republican Party has never been more useless than it is right now, and everyone can see it. That's the real reason why you lose urban voters. Not because of Marxism. Not because of atheism. Not because of pronouns. Not even because of Gavin Newsom's fascinating updo. But because people can see with their own eyes who does something and who does nothing about city problems.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

What are you talking about? That doesn't even resemble my perspective.

It just came across that you think republicans (which I am not by the way) are whining. Every time you respond it's a republican whining about something that is no big deal.

It is a big deal. And it's getting to be a bigger deal every day and it's not just republicans that have had enough of this shit.

 

[Politesse]

What are you doing about housing insecurity, TSwizzle? What is anyone in your entire pointless political party doing about housing insecurity? You're rehashing old myths and whining like you think you are the real victim somehow, while the few of us who actually care about shit roll up our sleeves, put on our adult boots and do something about the social challenges we face. The Republican Party has never been more useless than it is right now, and everyone can see it. That's the real reason why you lose urban voters. Not because of Marxism. Not because of atheism. Not because of pronouns. Not even because of Gavin Newsom's fascinating updo. But because people can see with their own eyes who does something and who does nothing about city problems.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

What are you talking about? That doesn't even resemble my perspective.

It just came across that you think republicans (which I am not by the way) are whining. Every time you respond it's a republican whining about something that is no big deal.

It is a big deal. And it's getting to be a bigger deal every day and it's not just republicans that have had enough of this shit.

Whining uselessly.

 

[Politesse]

TSwizzle, last I checked, the DailyMail was not a "Republican" publication. It is a British paper, they have their own political parties over there.

Am I not to assume that the locals the DM quoted were republicans? Surely only republicans whine about feces, needles and tents on the sidewalk.

The DM has operations in the USA.

No, literally everyone complains about those things. To know whether someone is Republican, you need to wait few seconds for them to blame them on Tina Kotek somehow, and then insist that more police funding would clean up the streets.

I understand the way this works for you. It is very important for you to determine which party the complainant may vote for before deciding if the complaint is a legitimate concern worthy of consideration or if it's just a deplorable/qanon/repug/trumpsucker etc. whining about nothing and should be ridiculed and scorned. Weird way to look at it but ok.

What are you talking about? That doesn't even resemble my perspective.

I don't read every thread. When was the last time that you called out an obvious democrat supporter for bad behavior? When was the last time you criticized someone's actions/behavior without assuming their political affiliation?

I have hardly been secretive about my disdain for the Biden administration...

I certainly don't think that the Democratic politicians, in general, care much about the poor and disenfranchised urban populations that their aesthetics and rhetoric frame them as the champions of. Nor do I identify as a Democrat, nor care whether anyone else does. The Democrats have at best a mixed legacy, and I have never argued otherwise. When good things happen in society, if they happen at all, they generally happen because communities themselves have organized and taken collective action.

 

[TSwizzle]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

 

[Politesse]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

I've only got one measure here, and it applies to everyone. Tell me what you're doing to improve society, and I'll be interested in having a conversation about that.

 

[TSwizzle]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

I've only got one measure here, and it applies to everyone. Tell me what you're doing to improve society, and I'll be interested in having a conversation about that.

Not voting for insufferable pricks like Gavin Newsom and the progressives that destroy communities with their stupid, woke policies.

 

[bilby]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

I've only got one measure here, and it applies to everyone. Tell me what you're doing to improve society, and I'll be interested in having a conversation about that.

Not voting for insufferable pricks like Gavin Newsom and the progressives that destroy communities with their stupid, woke policies.

Well, I'm doing better than you; I'm improving society by not robbing banks, not putting Ebola in the water supply, and not burning down other people's houses.

Of course, it's possible that when asked "what are you doing to improve society", answering with stuff you're not doing could be seen as evasion, or even an admission that you're doing fuck-all; But regardless, I shall certainly list the lack of Ebola cases in my hometown amongst my greatest achievements.

 

[TomC]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

I've only got one measure here, and it applies to everyone. Tell me what you're doing to improve society, and I'll be interested in having a conversation about that.

Not voting for insufferable pricks like Gavin Newsom and the progressives that destroy communities with their stupid, woke policies.

So, you don't actually do anything?

Did you vote for Larry Elders? Trump?

Or do you think that taking a long lunch on voting day is striking a blow for your country?
Tom

 

[Emily Lake]

Here's what I do: I vote against stupid fucking legislation that has easily foreseeable negative consequences. And I do my damnedest to vote for someone other than the stupid fucking politicians that pass the stupid fucking legislation that has easily foreseeable negative consequences.

 

[ZiprHead]

You choose to downplay these things for some reason, like this is a normal and acceptable state of affairs. That tents on the sidewalk, squalor and filth in the streets, people taking a dump in the road and people overdosing on drugs on the sidewalk is just part of the hustle and bustle of city life.

I mean, they are. They obviously are.

They are NOW but it wasn't like this ten years ago! And no, it is not acceptable.

But I have never advocated inaction in the face of those problems, quite the opposite. I don't live in San Francisco, but the city I do live in has constructed a massive re-housing and job training facility downtown - against fierce opposition from local Republicans and their wealthy "moderate" allies - that has helped more than 200 people start new lives on better footing in just the first four years of its operation, mostly in the middle of a pandemic. {snip}

No doubt this virtue signaling gives you a warm fuzzy glow and a feeling of righteousness to look down your nose with scorn at the people who complain when their neighborhoods and lives are impacted by the "homeless" that have pitched tents on the sidewalks outside their homes, schools and businesses. In the grand scheme of things, you have achieved fuck all fella. You are pissing in the wind, farting against thunder.

Holy crap! Putting down Poli as virtue siganlling is morally reprehensible. He/she is doing good work for his community and encouraging others to do the same. Completely disgusting attitude. He's actually helping. You're just bitching to hear yourself bitch and claiming a medal for it.

 

[Politesse]

You choose to downplay these things for some reason, like this is a normal and acceptable state of affairs. That tents on the sidewalk, squalor and filth in the streets, people taking a dump in the road and people overdosing on drugs on the sidewalk is just part of the hustle and bustle of city life.

I mean, they are. They obviously are.

They are NOW but it wasn't like this ten years ago! And no, it is not acceptable.

But I have never advocated inaction in the face of those problems, quite the opposite. I don't live in San Francisco, but the city I do live in has constructed a massive re-housing and job training facility downtown - against fierce opposition from local Republicans and their wealthy "moderate" allies - that has helped more than 200 people start new lives on better footing in just the first four years of its operation, mostly in the middle of a pandemic. {snip}

No doubt this virtue signaling gives you a warm fuzzy glow and a feeling of righteousness to look down your nose with scorn at the people who complain when their neighborhoods and lives are impacted by the "homeless" that have pitched tents on the sidewalks outside their homes, schools and businesses. In the grand scheme of things, you have achieved fuck all fella. You are pissing in the wind, farting against thunder.

Holy crap! Putting down Poli as virtue siganlling is morally reprehensible. He/she is doing good work for his community and encouraging others to do the same. Completely disgusting attitude. He's actually helping. You're just bitching to hear yourself bitch and claiming a medal for it.

Thanks, Zipr.

But it's not so much that I'm offended by not getting lauded for the work I do - it's not all volunteer, after all - as it is that I get very tired of people kvetching about things, then doing nothing about them. Advancing "solutions" we know to be untrustworthy, supporting politicians we know to be dishonest, when there are things we know damn well could and do help whenever there are hands to do them.

 

[Politesse]

And likewise, when I do criticize someone like Gavin Newsom, it's because of concrete actions he's taking, or worse, failing to take when they actually are his responsibility. Take the case of San Quentin Prison. Crumbling to pieces, to the tune of one billion dollars in yearly maintenance and serious and deliterious publuc health issues, and what does Newsom propose? A vague plan to "reform" the prison to a more rehabilative model, with a huge price tag and vague goals. Maybe laudable goals, but they're so unclear that even prison reform advocates are struggling to figure out what the plan IS exactly. And what good is it supposed to do for the inmates to have a new, healthy philosophy of management, if there's still wastewater leaking into their cell and black mold in the cafeteria? See, that's a classic Democratic blunder, embracing some pie in the sky state initiative that sounds good in theory but is expensive to implement and won't do anything about the problems people are actually the most concerned about. That sort of thing, I am willing to criticize.

But it's still a question of degree. Stuffing the prison to the gills and arming up the guards til it looks like Starship Troopers in there ain't gonna solve any of San Quentin's problems either, and no Republican governor is going to give a shit about the well-being of any prisoner, in any context. Democrats fall down on the job constantly, but at least you've got the sense that they could, in theory, be reasoned with. There'd be no point in putting a proposal to remove asbestos in elementary schools, or save a wild species, or mitigate the next wildfire season, or anything at all useful on Larry Elder's desk. He opposes "spending" on principle, and laughs at the idea of doing the actual job of a governor, ie implementing the laws and policies of the state. Newsom might be a hard sell on something like that, but not impossible; the right person with a proposal worded sexily enough, with enough campaign ready catchphrases, could make conceivably something happen at the state level.

And that's why, though I do not and will never belong to a party, I do have a party preference, even just on the level of state politics and governance. I'll take an apathetic devil over an atavistic devil any day of the week.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Whining uselessly.

You know full well that most of the California cities with problems are run by democrats. They have been worse than useless.

I've only got one measure here, and it applies to everyone. Tell me what you're doing to improve society, and I'll be interested in having a conversation about that.

Not voting for insufferable pricks like Gavin Newsom and the progressives that destroy communities with their stupid, woke policies.

That's not doing anything.

What positive action are you doing?

 

[TSwizzle]

Newsom's boss is coming to town so he kicked the vagrants out;

San Francisco has cleaned up several well-known homeless encampments ahead of China's dictator Xi Jinping's visit Wednesday - an effort Gov. Gavin Newsom admitted was only done to provide a good impression for other visiting leaders. In the span of a few days, the city scrubbed seven intersections in the notorious Tenderloin and South of Market neighborhoods - a decision Newsom this past week defended ahead of the anticipated Asian summit. The cleanup left multiple overrun hotspots virtually unrecognizable, and left many asking why similar efforts had not been enacted sooner.
First, Newsom addressed the elephant in the room - how several since-cleared encampments were being frantically addressed, in many cases, more than a year after sprouting up during the pandemic. He assured onlookers concerned the changes were only temporary: 'I know folks say, "Oh, they're just cleaning up this place because all these fancy leaders are coming into town. That's true because it's true," he quickly added.

Daily Mail

Oh and Brandon will be visiting SF too.

Newsom is an imbecile.