Breakdown In Civil Order

[TSwizzle]

But the major issue was that TSwizzle had “no doubt” about something that appears inconsistent with facts.

Appearances can be deceiving.

And when that’s the case the right thing to do is to show how that’s the case.

No one is convinced by assertions. They’ll be convinced by good arguments backed by facts and solid logic.

If you can explain the discrepancy between your assertion and the facts, I’m open to hearing a good faith argument. But based on our interactions regarding the subject climate change, I won’t expect such.

The fact is there are a significant number of "homeless" people from other states on the streets of California cities.

You think different, that's cool, I'll just get on with my day.

 

[Elixir]

The fact is there are a significant number of "homeless" people from other states on the streets of California cities.

Even Santa Monica?
The fact also is that there are a significant number of homeless Californians on the streets of cities in other States. I was once one of them.
So WHAT’S YOUR POINT?
Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?
You certainly don’t want to help provide homes for them, because that would be socialism - the perennial boogeyman of your Party.

 

[Emily Lake]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

 

[Elixir]

It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole

That’s a stupid and insipid comment. Asking for solutions is always insulting to right wingers.
What I offered is the logical end outcome of people protesting the presence of other people without offering any OTHER solution. That’s exactly how it has historically worked out, though you may be too young to remember.
You don’t like it? Congratulations on your newfound humanity. I don’t either.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole

That’s a stupid and insipid comment. . What I offered is the logical end outcome of people protesting the presence of other people without offering any OTHER solution. That’s exactly how it has historically worked out, though you may be too young to remember.
You don’t like it? Congratulations on your newfound humanity. I don’t either.

The silence when someone objects to the existence of a human being is pregnant with something and it sure isn't puppies.

 

[Elixir]

It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole

That’s a stupid and insipid comment. . What I offered is the logical end outcome of people protesting the presence of other people without offering any OTHER solution. That’s exactly how it has historically worked out, though you may be too young to remember.
You don’t like it? Congratulations on your newfound humanity. I don’t either.

The silence when someone objects to the existence of a human being is pregnant with something and it sure isn't puppies.

Smells faintly like gas chambers. I think a lot of people fail to associate what's happening with what's happened.

Trump’s Massive Deportation Plan Echoes Concentration Camp History*
Trump’s language about immigrants “poisoning” the U.S. repeats past rhetoric that led to civilian detention camps, with horrific, tragic results

*Sci-Am, not DNC

When facts are extreme, call it hyperbole. When facts are made up (e.g. Springfield) stay silent.
That's how you end up living in a Springfield.

Life Darker in Springfield, Ohio, After Trump 'Pet-Eating​

 

[TSwizzle]

Los Angeles (and California in general) is a corrupt and incompetent mess. 70% of housing procured for the "homeless" is still vacant;

A retired veteran in a wheelchair, missing a leg and suffering from multiple medical issues, arrived in Los Angeles from Missouri with hopes of "getting away from himself" and making a new start. Instead, he found himself waiting outside a vacant, abandoned hotel in Norwalk, hoping for help. It never came. He shared that he had come to L.A. because he’d heard about the city’s homeless housing and services. at least six homeless people die every day in the County. According to County Health Department records, in 2022, the last year for which numbers are available, 2,201 homeless people died. Governor Gavin Newsom directed $3.5 billion in emergency federal COVID relief funds to help cities and counties purchase motels, hotels, and apartment buildings rapidly and make them available for homeless housing. The state distributed three rounds of Homekey funds in 2021, 2022, and 2023-24. L.A. County received a total of $550 million and used the funds to help purchase 32 buildings. Earlier this year, Newsom lauded the program as “a national model for rapidly creating affordable housing for Californians in need.” However, according to an exclusive, months-long investigation by the Westside Current, as an estimated 139,151 homeless people, both locals and newcomers, occupy streets, sidewalks, beaches, parks, playgrounds, and other public spaces throughout the County, at least 1,538 of the total 2,157 Homekey rooms are vacant. This number accounts for more than 71% of all Homekey rooms. These revelations come on the heels of our previous reporting that discovered more than 1,200 vacant Homekey units owned by the City of Los Angeles.

Westside News

 

[Politesse]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

So what are conservatives asking for?

 

[Elixir]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

So what are conservatives asking for?

"An end to democrats pandering to these murderous aliens shitting on our streets!"
At least that's what they tell me they want. So they will vote for the guy who croaks -
"I will put an end to democrats pandering to these murderous aliens shitting in our streets!"

... just take it on faith that he's going to make them magically disappear, rather than listen to some complicated policy that might somewhat mitigate the problem by the year 2050, or consider the means by which the apricot might actually accomplish what they're asking.
If death camps result, well hey - they had no idea! When they were warned, they actually thought -

You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

... despite copious evidence.

And no apology from the accuser of my dishonesty. Sheesh. Does she sympathize with the guy who has called his political opponents “vermin,” and referred to immigrants as depraved “animals”
I wonder what @Emily Lake would have us do with vermin and depraved animals. Or what she thinks Trump will do with them given a chance.

 

[Jarhyn]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

So what are conservatives asking for?

Smokestacks offering black smoke to the blue sky.

 

[Emily Lake]

It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole

That’s a stupid and insipid comment. Asking for solutions is always insulting to right wingers.
What I offered is the logical end outcome of people protesting the presence of other people without offering any OTHER solution. That’s exactly how it has historically worked out, though you may be too young to remember.
You don’t like it? Congratulations on your newfound humanity. I don’t either.

Implying that a fellow poster wants to kill homeless people is dishonest emotional manipulation, void of rational thought, and presented without any actual supporting evidence. It demonstrates a supreme lack of empathy and compassion on your part, as well as a willingness to engage in deception as a means of slandering a fellow poster.

 

[Emily Lake]

It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole

That’s a stupid and insipid comment. . What I offered is the logical end outcome of people protesting the presence of other people without offering any OTHER solution. That’s exactly how it has historically worked out, though you may be too young to remember.
You don’t like it? Congratulations on your newfound humanity. I don’t either.

The silence when someone objects to the existence of a human being is pregnant with something and it sure isn't puppies.

Oh FFS, nobody is objecting to the existence of a human being. GTFOH with that manipulative and dishonest framing.

 

[Emily Lake]

Smells faintly like gas chambers.

Widely held opinion: There are a whole lot of homeless people here, it's a serious problem. It's unsafe, unclean, and we need to do something about it. Just ignoring it all and letting people camp wherever they want isn't a viable solution.

Elixir & Jarhyn & Politesse: OMG, you want to murderfy the poor homeless people, you horrible evil nazi, you want to stuff them into gas chambers!!!111!111eleventyone!!!

 

[Emily Lake]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

So what are conservatives asking for?

Go ask a conservative and find out.

But hey, while I've got your limited attention, any comments on my response to your previous post?

 

[Emily Lake]

Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?

This is a stupid tactic to use in argument. It's ridiculous and insulting hyperbole, it doesn't reflect what anyone has actually said. You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

So what are conservatives asking for?

"An end to democrats pandering to these murderous aliens shitting on our streets!"
At least that's what they tell me they want. So they will vote for the guy who croaks -
"I will put an end to democrats pandering to these murderous aliens shitting in our streets!"

... just take it on faith that he's going to make them magically disappear, rather than listen to some complicated policy that might somewhat mitigate the problem by the year 2050, or consider the means by which the apricot might actually accomplish what they're asking.
If death camps result, well hey - they had no idea! When they were warned, they actually thought -

You're making shit up out of your own imagination and then attributing it to other posters. It's dishonest.

... despite copious evidence.

And no apology from the accuser of my dishonesty. Sheesh. Does she sympathize with the guy who has called his political opponents “vermin,” and referred to immigrants as depraved “animals”
I wonder what @Emily Lake would have us do with vermin and depraved animals. Or what she thinks Trump will do with them given a chance.

When did Trump join IIDB?

I make no apologies, because not a single poster in this thread has expressed the vile and malignant views that you have invented for them. All you do is well poison, assign guilt by [imagined] association, and materially misrepresent other people's views. You never seem to contribute anything genuine or novel to a discussion, all you do is insult other posters incessantly by rules-lawyering the shit out the guidelines. I suppose if you want to be proud of yourself for being "clever" enough to be a bullying jerk and not getting in trouble for it, well, fine. But don't think that anybody else should be okay with your malicious behavior.

 

[Shadowy Man]

But the major issue was that TSwizzle had “no doubt” about something that appears inconsistent with facts.

Appearances can be deceiving.

And when that’s the case the right thing to do is to show how that’s the case.

No one is convinced by assertions. They’ll be convinced by good arguments backed by facts and solid logic.

If you can explain the discrepancy between your assertion and the facts, I’m open to hearing a good faith argument. But based on our interactions regarding the subject climate change, I won’t expect such.

The fact is there are a significant number of "homeless" people from other states on the streets of California cities.

You think different, that's cool, I'll just get on with my day.

I will note that you are willing to back down from your assertion, of which you previously had “no doubt”, that that homeless population in California rose due to a decrease in other states and get on with my day.

Thanks!

 

[TSwizzle]

But the major issue was that TSwizzle had “no doubt” about something that appears inconsistent with facts.

Appearances can be deceiving.

And when that’s the case the right thing to do is to show how that’s the case.

No one is convinced by assertions. They’ll be convinced by good arguments backed by facts and solid logic.

If you can explain the discrepancy between your assertion and the facts, I’m open to hearing a good faith argument. But based on our interactions regarding the subject climate change, I won’t expect such.

The fact is there are a significant number of "homeless" people from other states on the streets of California cities.

You think different, that's cool, I'll just get on with my day.

I will note that you are willing to back down from your assertion, of which you previously had “no doubt”, that that homeless population in California rose due to a decrease in other states and get on with my day.

Thanks!

If that makes you happy, knock yourself out.

Enjoy your day

 

[Elixir]

All you do is well poison, assign guilt by [imagined] association, and materially misrepresent other people's views. You never seem to contribute anything genuine or novel to a discussion, all you do is insult other posters incessantly by rules-lawyering the shit out the guidelines. I suppose if you want to be proud of yourself for being "clever" enough to be a bullying jerk and not getting in trouble for it, well, fine. But don't think that anybody else should be okay with your malicious behavior.

Woah there, sister. You failed, in all of that wall of ad hominem BS, to address anything I said.
Wanna try again?
How about starting with an evidenced argument that "death camps" are beyond the realm of Trump's intent?

Don't evade with your "Trump not here" copout - this thread is about civil disorder, and I have argued that Trump is a primary aggravating factor and I have shown why.

You don't like it, and apparently can't cogently argue against it. All you can do is characterize things I say as hyperbolic, false and "blah blah you're dishonest". SHOW ME THE DISHONESTY. If I have willfully misrepresented anything I am eager to make it right. But your declarations of hyperbole doesn't do it. I have my own opinions of your honesty btw, but that's not germane to the breakdown in civil order any more than your opinion of mine is germane. That's why I recommend that you change tactics and instead of attacking me, give us your best case for why you believe Trump would not institute the death camps he promises by intimation?

Are you terrified of The Illegals Emily? Is that why you're okay with it?
Please expand on this, anyway:

we need to do something about it

What is it that you believe we need to do about it, Emily?
It sure sounds like you simply want to get rid of them. Trump says he will do that, whoever they are..

 

[Emily Lake]

How about starting with an evidenced argument that "death camps" are beyond the realm of Trump's intent?

How about you prove to me that there is no teapot orbiting mercury?

 

[Emily Lake]

SHOW ME THE DISHONESTY. If I have willfully misrepresented anything I am eager to make it right.

Here you go:

The fact is there are a significant number of "homeless" people from other states on the streets of California cities.

Even Santa Monica?
The fact also is that there are a significant number of homeless Californians on the streets of cities in other States. I was once one of them.
So WHAT’S YOUR POINT?
Homelessness needs to be stopped by “getting rid of” people? Maybe some death camps would make you happy?
You certainly don’t want to help provide homes for them, because that would be socialism - the perennial boogeyman of your Party.

You aren't opining about some nebulous hypothetical future state that Trump could possibly end up pursuing because well, anything is technically possible.

You are ascribing this view TO TSWIZZLE specifically.

You have dishonestly and maliciously implied that TSwizzle wants to see homeless people put in death camps.

You have previously done similar things to me - you (along with a couple of others) have put words in my mouth and tried to claim that I want homeless people to be killed, or beat up by cops, or thrown in jail, or any number of horrific things. None of those are views that I have expressed, none of them are views I hold. Nothing at all that I have written or expressed even remotely suggests such abhorrent approaches.

But that doesn't slow you down one whit. You dishonestly attribute malicious views to other people instead of engaging in discussion or debate.

For example...

Are you terrified of The Illegals Emily? Is that why you're okay with it?

Furthermore...

That's why I recommend that you change tactics and instead of attacking me

I just can't stop laughing at this. Seriously... I might break a rib I'm laughing so hard.