arkirk
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Rudy is a piece of crap. Where things like him come from is a background of lies. His "proofs" have all been found to not be proofs at all. The man is one of the most shameful opportunists the world has ever seen.
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Evidence given by Rudy Giulianti of massive voter fraud in PA, Wi, MI, GA, VA, AZ, and NM states
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There's no law against lying by the "news".
If there really is massive voter fraud in those states it's most likely by the Republicans--virtually everything they accuse the Democrats of turns out to be a case of projection.
Furthermore, when their voter fraud claims get to court they evaporate because it is illegal to lie there.
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Just an FYI, the ballots are paper and hand recounts can spot any irregularities. This is literally a fake story.
Here's one on one of the right wing lies about Michigan:
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-crowders-fraud-week-title-graphic-and-why-it-matters.11462/
You can use methodology like that rather than taking the reporters' graphics at face value. Or like when OANN says that NPS Police found two crates of pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial during protests in DC you could check with the park police.
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No Guliani is not off his rocker. He's getting paid hugely for doing this.
He's a lawyer. It's what they do.
And now, Guliani is Trump's personal lawyer.
Dayum! Great work, if you can get it.
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Michael Cohen said he knew every day he’d be lying for Trump.
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FIFY
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I remember Rudy hosting SNL. He could be hilarious. I think in Rudy's mind he's always been on stage taking the money.
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Presiding over Al-Qaeda bringing down the WTC must have been Guliani's greatest moment.
Now wonder Trump likes Guliani so much.
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Court cases are not evidence except... The lack of evidence presented for the cases is evidence the cases themselves are a fraudulent run at the legal system against a national mandate
T.G.G. Moogly
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Follow the money. Guliani can laugh all the way to the bank.
JohnG
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I’m learning that lawyers can be willing to take on outrageous cases - it’s not their job to make the call whether what they’re defending is justifiable or not, they just have to find the best (or any) argument on behalf of their client and argue it in court. It’s the judge (or jury’s) job to decide the verdict.
Even if someone is convicted of murder with many witnesses, a lawyer or legal aid will/must argue on behalf of their client, and everyone should be represented, everyone should be able to tell their side of the story, no matter how inexcusable the crime. That’s the system.
I can see how many lawyers come off looking very bad to us commoners by defending a reprehensible killer, but everyone gets their day in court and someone has to speak on behalf of the accused.
Trumps lawyers here do seem to be going into territory that defies a real path to victory, which to me, just shows how few options there are for their campaign.
Even if someone is convicted of murder with many witnesses, a lawyer or legal aid will/must argue on behalf of their client, and everyone should be represented, everyone should be able to tell their side of the story, no matter how inexcusable the crime. That’s the system.
I can see how many lawyers come off looking very bad to us commoners by defending a reprehensible killer, but everyone gets their day in court and someone has to speak on behalf of the accused.
Trumps lawyers here do seem to be going into territory that defies a real path to victory, which to me, just shows how few options there are for their campaign.
Elixir
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Evidence of WHAT?
I allege fraud in Florida - why so fast?
Is that evidence?
If I get a friend to write the same thing, is THAT evidence?
How about ten thousand friends?
Were you born yesterday?
I would say there's about a thousand times more claims that Trump is a lying dipshit using his ass clown lawyer to help him steal an election that Biden clearly won, so that is way more evidence than the claims of voter fraud.
I think RVonse's attitude is that the media is imperfect, therefore it's completely reasonable to believe anything so long as news outlets dismiss it as crazy bullshit first. Makes perfect sense.
Swammerdami
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RVonse might want to watch this video where a Judge clearly explains why affidavits on their own means sweet fuck all:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo[/youtube]
Simply put, no evidence whatsoever and Trump's lawyers are completely full of shit. Shocking, I know.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo[/youtube]
Simply put, no evidence whatsoever and Trump's lawyers are completely full of shit. Shocking, I know.
From the NY Times:
Guess its a lot harder to lie in a court of law than at a press conference covered by the national media.
Giuliani is pure comedy. Just watch this presser where he has a makeup/hair dye malfunction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F20TSx0uKVQ
The person doing the most lying is serving out the last 2 months of his putrid term at the White House. And I use the word "serving" in an extremely generic sense, since the Donald hasn't done a day of work since his shitshow took office. Some of his henchmen are also lying, but they are mostly in it to make money, not out of any loyalty to the office or the public. Mainstream US media coverage of the President has been honest by-and-large, although there are some notable exceptions (Fox and OAN come to mind, although OAN isn't mainstream anything but a shit-peddler mouthpiece of the orange excrement).