Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Harry Bosch]

Does anyone know what training IDF soldiers receive on how to approach friendly forces if they've managed to escape captivity?

Clearly not enough.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That's what tends to happen when a force fights in civilian attire. They keep facing fire from adult males in civilian attire pretending to be civilians. A couple of soldiers didn't realize this case was different.

Exactly the issue - these soldiers did not bother to find out. They were not under attack. The victims were shirtless and waving a white flag - there was no visible immediate threat.

Some people hesitate to admit that those they defend have faults, fearing it might validate the opposing side's errors. Just sayin. An old adage passed on from my grand pops.

I'm not saying they didn't make a mistake. I'm looking for the root cause of the mistake.

 

[repoman]

I saw this comment on a Youtube video:


We all know these “pauses” only happen so Americans don't talk about this conflict around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner table.

 

[Shadowy Man]

That's what tends to happen when a force fights in civilian attire. They keep facing fire from adult males in civilian attire pretending to be civilians. A couple of soldiers didn't realize this case was different.

Exactly the issue - these soldiers did not bother to find out. They were not under attack. The victims were shirtless and waving a white flag - there was no visible immediate threat.

Some people hesitate to admit that those they defend have faults, fearing it might validate the opposing side's errors. Just sayin. An old adage passed on from my grand pops.

I'm not saying they didn't make a mistake. I'm looking for the root cause of the mistake.

Perhaps a root cause could be a bloodlust to kill Palestinians?

Certainly the dehumanization and humiliation of one’s enemies is well documented in the history of war.

 

[repoman]

I saw this comment on a Youtube video:


We all know these “pauses” only happen so Americans don't talk about this conflict around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner table.

So, the weeklong ceasefire happened on November 24 the day after Thanksgiving, to be exact.

 

[ZiprHead]

I saw this comment on a Youtube video:


We all know these “pauses” only happen so Americans don't talk about this conflict around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner table.

That's stupid. Neither Jews nor Hamas celebrate either holiday.

 

[TomC]

Perhaps a root cause could be a bloodlust to kill Palestinians?

Why would you think this?

The problem is bloodlust on the part of Islamist militants. Has been for decades, starting in 1948. Continuing to the present.
The reason those people got shot is because Gazans violently attacked Israel, kidnapped hostages, then sent their victims out into a war zone. This isn't hard to find out about.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Perhaps a root cause could be a bloodlust to kill Palestinians?

Why would you think this?

The problem is bloodlust on the part of Islamist militants. Has been for decades, starting in 1948. Continuing to the present.
The reason those people got shot is because Gazans violently attacked Israel, kidnapped hostages, then sent their victims out into a war zone. This isn't hard to find out about.
Tom

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

 

[TomC]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

 

[repoman]

I saw this comment on a Youtube video:


We all know these “pauses” only happen so Americans don't talk about this conflict around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner table.

That's stupid. Neither Jews nor Hamas celebrate either holiday.

I am not saying for sure that the comment is true, but it is saying that the timing of ceasefires is about keeping this issue from becoming even bigger to the American public.

The Israelis are very aware of American life and are also coordinating some of this with the U.S.

On another note, when the last hostages are returned to Israel will the bombs still be dropped at the current rate on hospitals and mosques?

If so, what is the incentive for Hamas to give back the hostages?

 

[repoman]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

Why not both?

Hamas for kidnapping and the IDF soldiers for being violent, murderous cowards.

 

[TomC]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

Why not both?

Hamas for kidnapping and the IDF soldiers for being violent, murderous cowards.

You consider those comparable situations?

Gazans violently assault Israel, again. Without any identifying uniforms or anything. They take hostages, then shove them out into the line of fire, where they die.

And you consider that comparable enough to say "Why not both?"

How about we assign blame for crimes against humanity equally? Gazans caused the disaster. Start with them.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

That is factually incorrect. The IDF admits their soldiers killed the escaped hostages. Your claim is delusional.

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

Your sweeping generalisations indicate your bigotry and nothing else.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Perhaps a root cause could be a bloodlust to kill Palestinians?

Why would you think this?

The problem is bloodlust on the part of Islamist militants. Has been for decades, starting in 1948. Continuing to the present.
The reason those people got shot is because Gazans violently attacked Israel, kidnapped hostages, then sent their victims out into a war zone. This isn't hard to find out about.
Tom

I am presuming they did not intentionally kill their own people so they must have thought they were Palestinians, yes? And they killed them even though they were trying to surrender and admittedly against their own rules of engagement.

 

[lpetrich]

Why not both?

Hamas for kidnapping and the IDF soldiers for being violent, murderous cowards.

In fact, I'd like to make Hamas and Israeli leaders share jail cells for a war-crimes tribunal. Imagine Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas head Ismail Haniyeh sharing a jail cell.

ETA: BN and IH could be joined by Houthi head Abdel-Malek al-Houthi.

 

[Tigers!]

Perhaps a root cause could be a bloodlust to kill Palestinians?

Why would you think this?

The problem is bloodlust on the part of Islamist militants. Has been for decades, starting in 1948. Continuing to the present.
The reason those people got shot is because Gazans violently attacked Israel, kidnapped hostages, then sent their victims out into a war zone. This isn't hard to find out about.
Tom

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF kidnapped by Hamas.

FIFY

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I saw this comment on a Youtube video:


We all know these “pauses” only happen so Americans don't talk about this conflict around the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner table.

That's stupid. Neither Jews nor Hamas celebrate either holiday.

I am not saying for sure that the comment is true, but it is saying that the timing of ceasefires is about keeping this issue from becoming even bigger to the American public.

The Israelis are very aware of American life and are also coordinating some of this with the U.S.

On another note, when the last hostages are returned to Israel will the bombs still be dropped at the current rate on hospitals and mosques?

If so, what is the incentive for Hamas to give back the hostages?

You forget, Israel has already offered to stop shooting if they get the hostages back.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

That is factually incorrect. The IDF admits their soldiers killed the escaped hostages. Your claim is delusional.

We are looking for root causes, not the immediate cause.

And the root cause was Hamas pulling stunts like this in order to move around to new firing positions.

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

Your sweeping generalisations indicate your bigotry and nothing else.

After a lifetime of brainwashing what else would you expect? Blame the brainwashers. It's not bigotry in recognizing that an entire population has been brainwashed.

 

[TomC]

I don't know the details exactly, but Netanyahu was born in Israel, either during the attack starting in 1948 or immediately thereafter. Why don't Gazan supporters recognize that he has very good reasons for his attitudes towards Palestinians in general?
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Plenty of people survive war zones. These 3 poor souls were needlessly killed by the IDF. Your response is senseless.

These three?
They were killed by Hamas and their Gazan supporters.

That is factually incorrect. The IDF admits their soldiers killed the escaped hostages. Your claim is delusional.

We are looking for root causes, not the immediate cause.

And the root cause was Hamas pulling stunts like this in order to move around to new firing positions.

That is your opinion. The “ shoot first, ask later” is a frequent MO. So is fear

What about all the other victims of Islamicist violence?

Why do you seem to think that Gazans are incapable of peaceful behavior? I don't think that they are, but they've been taught to be genocidally violent by Muslims. So that's what they support. Genocidal violence, even when it means their own destruction.
Tom

Your sweeping generalisations indicate your bigotry and nothing else.

After a lifetime of brainwashing what else would you expect? Blame the brainwashers. It's not bigotry in recognizing that an entire population has been brainwashed.

It is bigotry to generalize towards the entire population of Gaza based on Hamas,