Acknowledging the suffering of Palestinian civilians does not equal siding with Hamas. It simply means recognizing that innocent lives are being lost. Hamas bears responsibility for putting civilians in harm’s way, and Israel bears responsibility for how it conducts its operations. Both realities can be true at once.
Sure. But Israel is going above and beyond to protect civilians. Its still a war on. They're doing what they can to minimise civilian casualties without taking pressure off Hamas. The last bit is important. They are at war and need to do what they need to do to win.
If you can't see that Israel is trying to avoid unnecessary civilian suffering then I'll accuse you of unreasonable demands on Israel.
The IDF has publicly accepted responsibility for some civilian deaths. That’s a documented fact you're dismissing simply because it’s coming from me.
I haven't dismissed it.
Its a war. Mistakes are bound to happen. And they have. Israel has taken responsibility whenever it fucks up.
Israels problem is that most people don't care. The moment most people find any excuse to hate Jews, its jew hate. Its an unfortunate pattern in the west.
Like I said, the danger comes when people like yourself dismiss or ridicule concern for civilians, it plays directly into Hamas’ hands by reinforcing the idea that Palestinian lives don’t matter. Recognizing civilian loss doesn’t weaken Israel’s case, it strengthens it by showing the difference between a military that at least tries to acknowledge collateral damage and a terrorist group that deliberately seeks it.
Agreed. Which is why I haven't dismissed or ridiculed it.
Your arguments aren’t helping Israel, if anything, they’re more likely to do harm than good, in my opinion.
I'm not convinced its not.
Right now so many of the left are so caught up in the Palestinian victimhood narrative they're unable to see how awesome Israel has been handling themselves. No, they're not perfect. But they're pretty good. While to Palestinians, terrible.
If more people poke holes in the absurd left wing narrative the better.
The fact that Palestinian grievances from 48 - 68 have merit, doesn't excuse any of the following Palestinian atrocities. And there have been many. A reaction completely out of any proportion. And also ignoring the political context of the Middle East. The 20th century saw an extreme reshuffling of the political board of the Middle East. People and ethnic groups were kicked off their land and shuffled around. They found a new home and made the best of it. Everyone accept the Palestinians. Every country in the world is full of refugees who have accepted getting pushed out of their ancestral home and making the best of it. That includes a lot of the Jews in Israel.
Palestinians have no singular claim on Israel. We, (as a world community) need to stop encouraging that idea. Its not helping. Its also good if we listen to Palestinians. When they say "from the river to the sea" that means murdering all Jews. That's not cool. To put it mildly.
The western left treat Palestinians as token brown people. We don't listen to them. We cram woke leftist ideologies in their mouths, (they have never expressed) and ignore all the homicidal things they are actually saying and demanding. The 7/10 attack is exactly the kinds of attack Palestinians have been saying they want to carry out since always.
The ignorance among the western left is, in this case, overwhelming. And has real life catastrophic consequences.
