Immigrant Concentration Camps

[Half-Life]

As of 2018 there were 65.5 million refugees [not economic migrants] on the planet. Exactly how many of these should the US embrace, 50%, 30%, or even just 10%. Now add perhaps the 100's of millions of economic migrants to those numbers as well. The US would cease to be a nation in it's own right, if not a downright another Venezuela, but on a giangatic scale if the border is even remotely weakened.

Exactly how much cruelty, trauma, death, and suffering are you willing to turn a blind eye to just to avoid holding corrupt powers accountable?

I wouldn't say it's a blind eye. I would say that most people say things like, "I hope kids in foster care find parents, but I don't want to adopt a kid." or "Homeless people should have homes, but I don't personally want to volunteer to build them." or "I don't want pets in a shelter to be put down, but I don't want to adopt any pets."

People care, but at the same time they do not have to do the things listed above. It's a delicate mindset.

 

[Derec]

One thing that people need to remember is that US government did not ask 100,000s of mass migrants to show up at the border. Much less with minors in tow.
That's an overwhelming number of people to take care of.

We need to reform our asylum laws so that "asylum" cannot be abused by economic migrants like this.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

As of 2018 there were 65.5 million refugees [not economic migrants] on the planet. Exactly how many of these should the US embrace, 50%, 30%, or even just 10%. Now add perhaps the 100's of millions of economic migrants to those numbers as well. The US would cease to be a nation in it's own right, if not a downright another Venezuela, but on a giangatic scale if the border is even remotely weakened.

What prompted this inane straw man?

Birth.

 

[Arctish]

One thing that people need to remember is that US government did not ask 100,000s of mass migrants to show up at the border. Much less with minors in tow.
That's an overwhelming number of people to take care of.

The US didn't ask for Hurricane Katrina to show up, either. Or the Baby Boomers, or the Great Depression, or the Dust Bowl, or the Mayflower.

Things happen. Asylum seekers and would-be citizens show up and apply for admission. Sometimes they arrive in in large numbers, sometimes it's just a boatload of people, and sometimes it's one person acting on impulse. Crying "I didn't ask for this" might be good for getting sympathy, prayers, and pictures of cats posted on your Facebook page, but it's not an excuse for the failure of the government to fulfill its obligations, especially when those obligation have been helpfully spelled out in recent court rulings, and most especially when the crisis is of the government's own making.

 

[Angry Floof]

One thing that people need to remember is that US government did not ask 100,000s of mass migrants to show up at the border. Much less with minors in tow.
That's an overwhelming number of people to take care of.

We need to reform our asylum laws so that "asylum" cannot be abused by economic migrants like this.

Yet you never have a single thought about reforming authority and power so it cannot abuse human beings.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

One thing that people need to remember is that US government did not ask 100,000s of mass migrants to show up at the border. Much less with minors in tow.
That's an overwhelming number of people to take care of.

We need to reform our asylum laws so that "asylum" cannot be abused by economic migrants like this.

Yet you never have a single thought about reforming authority and power so it cannot abuse human beings.

100% pure slander with impunity.

Admin abusing power while discussing holding authority accountable.

Bonus! Double points! Ding ding ding

 

[laughing dog]

One thing that people need to remember is that US government did not ask 100,000s of mass migrants to show up at the border. Much less with minors in tow.
That's an overwhelming number of people to take care of.

We need to reform our asylum laws so that "asylum" cannot be abused by economic migrants like this.

Yet you never have a single thought about reforming authority and power so it cannot abuse human beings.

100% pure slander with impunity.

Admin abusing power while discussing holding authority accountable.

Bonus! Double points! Ding ding ding

I seriously doubt anyone is interested in your butthurt.

 

[angelo]

As of 2018 there were 65.5 million refugees [not economic migrants] on the planet. Exactly how many of these should the US embrace, 50%, 30%, or even just 10%. Now add perhaps the 100's of millions of economic migrants to those numbers as well. The US would cease to be a nation in it's own right, if not a downright another Venezuela, but on a giangatic scale if the border is even remotely weakened.

Exactly how much cruelty, trauma, death, and suffering are you willing to turn a blind eye to just to avoid holding corrupt powers accountable?

These people are not restricted from returning to wherever they came from! No administration can be blamed when adults who should know better bring along their children as a decoy to entering any foreign nation illegally.

There are proper channels in use when applying to immigrate to most Western nations. These people chose to try to get in illegally by using the back door instead. They can't blame anyone else but themselves!

 

[angelo]

As of 2018 there were 65.5 million refugees [not economic migrants] on the planet. Exactly how many of these should the US embrace, 50%, 30%, or even just 10%. Now add perhaps the 100's of millions of economic migrants to those numbers as well. The US would cease to be a nation in it's own right, if not a downright another Venezuela, but on a giangatic scale if the border is even remotely weakened.

Exactly how much cruelty, trauma, death, and suffering are you willing to turn a blind eye to just to avoid holding corrupt powers accountable?

If the " powers " that be are corrupt in any way, there's such a thing as democratic elections, in this case every 4 years when these " corrupt" individuals can be turfed out. The last time I looked America isn't a dictatorship!

 

[Arctish]

As of 2018 there were 65.5 million refugees [not economic migrants] on the planet. Exactly how many of these should the US embrace, 50%, 30%, or even just 10%. Now add perhaps the 100's of millions of economic migrants to those numbers as well. The US would cease to be a nation in it's own right, if not a downright another Venezuela, but on a giangatic scale if the border is even remotely weakened.

Exactly how much cruelty, trauma, death, and suffering are you willing to turn a blind eye to just to avoid holding corrupt powers accountable?

These people are not restricted from returning to wherever they came from! No administration can be blamed when adults who should know better bring along their children as a decoy to entering any foreign nation illegally.

There are proper channels in use when applying to immigrate to most Western nations. These people chose to try to get in illegally by using the back door instead. They can't blame anyone else but themselves!

To be clear: Seeking asylum at the border is not illegal

 

[angelo]

Neither is closing the border illegal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I do not think people, realize the scope of the problem. Somehow we are supposed to quickly supply housing, food, water, and medical care for hundreds of thousands of people. It is an impossible task.

It is like building a small city from scratch on demand.

We are capable of doing a far better job than we have to date.

Doing it quickly means they can't pass out a bunch of pork in the process, though.

The sane orderly thing to do is by law limit the number of people that can get in a queue and accept no more until a spot opens in the line. An ever increasing number of people piling up on the border is impossible to deal with.

Which would cause battles over a place in line.

For visas which are of limited number we do implement a line, but there's no limit to the number of people that can be in it.

Asylum is a category which doesn't have a limit, though.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Neither is closing the border illegal.

Yes, it is. We are obligated by international treaty to accept asylum applicants. Treaties have the force of law.

 

[bilby]

I do not think people, realize the scope of the problem. Somehow we are supposed to quickly supply housing, food, water, and medical care for hundreds of thousands of people. It is an impossible task.

It is like building a small city from scratch on demand.

We are capable of doing a far better job than we have to date.

Doing it quickly means they can't pass out a bunch of pork in the process, though.

The sane orderly thing to do is by law limit the number of people that can get in a queue and accept no more until a spot opens in the line. An ever increasing number of people piling up on the border is impossible to deal with.

Which would cause battles over a place in line.

For visas which are of limited number we do implement a line, but there's no limit to the number of people that can be in it.

Asylum is a category which doesn't have a limit, though.

And nor should it.

The US is the richest country in the world. It shouldn't be doing a worse job of coping with large numbers of asylum seekers or refugees than are Ethiopia and Kenya, FFS.

 

[Half-Life]

Trump just gave the Dems 2 weeks to make a deal before the ICE raids. Let's see how long the loving Dems take.

 

[Arctish]

So he's threatening to use families as pawns to get his way, just like he did on the budget showdown.

Hopefully, Pelosi gives him another smack down. She'll probably wait until after he gives the Republicans another public relations black eye, which is bad for the people about to be incarcerated without trial in 'detainment centers', but probably the only thing Trump will care about.

 

[Half-Life]

So he's threatening to bully and traumatize families to get his way, just like he did on the budget showdown. Hopefully, Pelosi gives him another smack down. She'll probably wait until after he gives the Republicans another public relations black eye, which is bad for the people about to be incarcerated without trial in 'detainment centers', but probably the only thing Trump will care about.

Wanting to get rid of illegals is bullying and traumatizing families? That's dangerously close to aiding and abetting.

 

[Arctish]

So he's threatening to bully and traumatize families to get his way, just like he did on the budget showdown. Hopefully, Pelosi gives him another smack down. She'll probably wait until after he gives the Republicans another public relations black eye, which is bad for the people about to be incarcerated without trial in 'detainment centers', but probably the only thing Trump will care about.

Wanting to get rid of illegals is bullying and traumatizing families? That's dangerously close to aiding and abetting.

He wants to force the Democrats to change the asylum laws. And he wants them to do it his way, in two weeks time, without research or debate or considering how the new laws will fit within the existing matrix of federal and Constitutional law, trashing treaties and precedents.

He's very ignorant. And impatient. But he can do a lot of harm, so we mustn't write him off as a buffoon.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump just gave the Dems 2 weeks to make a deal before the ICE raids. Let's see how long the loving Dems take.

Meanwhile, the Dems have given Pres. Trump 2 weeks to end the Korean War... or else!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Neither is closing the border illegal.

Can we just call you Shifter or Deflector because all you ever do is shift goalposts. Every single time your statement is indicated as false, you deflect to something else, acting none the wiser to being corrected.