Immigrant Concentration Camps

[PyramidHead]

What?! What liberal was upset about the Iraqi invasion because of the lack of UN approval? People were against an Iraqi invasion as it was a preemptive use of force against a nation that wasn't harming America under a cloak of being part of a 9/11 military response.

The "nuance" of that distinction is a red herring that actually prevents people from appreciating the full weight of what happened, and set the stage for a complacent populace (and media) to allow the slaughter of thousands of innocent people.

Goodness you have fallen off the rails here, with a strawman and then nonsensical rantings.

And here we are again. Let's ask ourselves about nuance here, shall we? The illegal entry of non-citizens into America is a misdemeanor. It's not even a felony. The American response to acts of illegal immigration has always been a calculated overreaction designed to provoke fear and to punish, not to detain people humanely until they receive due process. No misdemeanor justifies the forcible separation of children from their families and extended internment in camps. When the law says otherwise, the law is wrong.

I suppose I must be wasting my time because you clearly aren't reading anything I am writing.

Honestly, both of those statements are true, I just responded to your one post and haven't read the rest of them in this thread. Iraq comparisons aside, the illegal immigration angle is how some try to rehabilitate the acts of previous administrations that enabled and normalized the very thing Trump is doing here. It's immaterial to whether or not immigrants should be detained in crowded, inhumane conditions to make distinctions based on whether or not they committed a misdemeanor or were seeking asylum, and your remark tried to raise that issue as a nuance that I should pay attention to. I don't think it's worth anybody's attention, just like I don't think the lack of a UN resolution for the Iraq war was worth the emphasis it received. The UN approved the equally disastrous, equally destructive invasion of Afghanistan, and focusing on the lack of approval for Iraq is among the factors that sanitized the barbarism of Afghanistan. I think the analogy to this topic is apt.

 

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[Gun Nut]

It will be extremely hard to get any Jew I know to accommodate what they would call the watering down of a term that is extremely important to them. "Never Forget". That is what they say about the Concentration Camps that were DEATH camps in WWII. Jews don;t go around calling anything they disagree with "Nazi" - that term is reserved for the worst of the worst of actual Nazis... and a Concentration Camp (to them) is a place that people of a particular race or religion are placed to be systematically made extinct. Period. no exceptions. No watering down of any of it. ever. Especially in light of the flat-Earther sized movement of holocaust deniers.

 

[Jarhyn]

It will be extremely hard to get any Jew I know to accommodate what they would call the watering down of a term that is extremely important to them. "Never Forget". That is what they say about the Concentration Camps that were DEATH camps in WWII. Jews don;t go around calling anything they disagree with "Nazi" - that term is reserved for the worst of the worst of actual Nazis... and a Concentration Camp (to them) is a place that people of a particular race or religion are placed to be systematically made extinct. Period. no exceptions. No watering down of any of it. ever. Especially in light of the flat-Earther sized movement of holocaust deniers.

con·cen·tra·tion camp
/ˌkänsənˈtrāSHən ˈˌkamp/
noun
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe in 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.

- large numbers? Check.

- persecuted minorities? Check.

- deliberate imprisonment? Check.

- small area? Check

- inadequate facilities? Check.

Looks like a concentration camp to me.

Also, not the first time concentration camps have been set up in the US. Hell, they're even using some of the same bases as last time.

 

[blastula]

It will be extremely hard to get any Jew I know to accommodate what they would call the watering down of a term that is extremely important to them. "Never Forget". That is what they say about the Concentration Camps that were DEATH camps in WWII. Jews don;t go around calling anything they disagree with "Nazi" - that term is reserved for the worst of the worst of actual Nazis... and a Concentration Camp (to them) is a place that people of a particular race or religion are placed to be systematically made extinct. Period. no exceptions. No watering down of any of it. ever. Especially in light of the flat-Earther sized movement of holocaust deniers.

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

From the first author:

 

[Half-Life]

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

They are throwing illegals into furnaces and starving them?

Oh wait, no. Kids even play video games at these camps. Kids must be suffering terribly.

Daily Wire has a show today "It Ain't Trump who's the Hitler Here"

 

[bilby]

It will be extremely hard to get any Jew I know to accommodate what they would call the watering down of a term that is extremely important to them. "Never Forget". That is what they say about the Concentration Camps that were DEATH camps in WWII. Jews don;t go around calling anything they disagree with "Nazi" - that term is reserved for the worst of the worst of actual Nazis... and a Concentration Camp (to them) is a place that people of a particular race or religion are placed to be systematically made extinct. Period. no exceptions. No watering down of any of it. ever. Especially in light of the flat-Earther sized movement of holocaust deniers.

There's a difference between a concentration camp and a death camp, though the former can evolve into the latter.

If anyone objects to calling these camps 'concentration camps' on the basis that that term should be reserved to mean 'death camps', or that it refers specifically to the death camps of the Third Reich, then they are simply factually wrong.

The term 'concentration camp' has a well defined meaning, and a history that pre-dates Naziism. The camps currently used to detain migrants in the USA and in places such as Manus Island, are concentration camps - that's a simple fact, and anyone who conflates the phrase 'concentration camp' with the phrase 'death camp' is simply wrong. Death camps are the small subset of concentration camps in which the deaths of those incarcerated has become a deliberate objective, rather than a mere tragedy of uncaring indifference.

The current US and Australian concentration camps have not yet become death camps, and it's to be hoped that they will not. But pretending that they are not concentration camps, as a euphemistic solution to the discomfort that comes from being compared with other regimes that have employed concentration camps in the past, is not helpful in avoiding that evolution.

 

[Jarhyn]

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

They are throwing illegals into furnaces and starving them?

Oh wait, no. Kids even play video games at these camps. Kids must be suffering terribly.

Daily Wire has a show today "It Ain't Trump who's the Hitler Here"

There's a difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. It doesn't have to be a death camp to still be fucking evil.

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in concentration camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast.

 

[laughing dog]

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

They are throwing illegals into furnaces and starving them?

Oh wait, no. Kids even play video games at these camps. Kids must be suffering terribly.

Perhaps you are just trying to be flippant, but it comes across as idiotic and inhumane.


In this thread, bilby showed that concentration camps were used by the British in South Africa. Hell, one could argue that some of the early reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps.

 

[Half-Life]

There's a difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. It doesn't have to be a death camp to still be fucking evil.

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in concentration camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast.

Yes, that was wrong.

However, they were not here ILLEGALLY with a policy PUT IN PLACE BY THE DEMS that states CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL!

 

[Jarhyn]

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

They are throwing illegals into furnaces and starving them?

Oh wait, no. Kids even play video games at these camps. Kids must be suffering terribly.

Perhaps you are just trying to be flippant, but it comes across as idiotic and inhumane.


In this thread, bilby showed that concentration camps were used by the British in South Africa. Hell, one could argue that some of the early reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps.

Don't forget the Japanese Americans during WW2... And look at that, they're reusing one of the same concentration camps to detain children right now!

 

[Half-Life]

Godwin is Jewish. So are the authors of these articles.

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - Los Angeles Times

Concentration Camps Expert Andrea Pitzer: The Trump Administration Is Running Camps at the Southern Border

They are throwing illegals into furnaces and starving them?

Oh wait, no. Kids even play video games at these camps. Kids must be suffering terribly.

Perhaps you are just trying to be flippant, but it comes across as idiotic and inhumane.


In this thread, bilby showed that concentration camps were used by the British in South Africa. Hell, one could argue that some of the early reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps.

Yes, but this is different. People are here ILLEGALLY.

 

[Jarhyn]

There's a difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. It doesn't have to be a death camp to still be fucking evil.

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in concentration camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast.

Yes, that was wrong.

However, they were not here ILLEGALLY with a policy PUT IN PLACE BY THE DEMS that states CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL!

So tell me again, who is it right now defending said policy? You seem to be committing a genetic fallacy, similar to your other thread founded on a genetic fallacy.

 

[laughing dog]

There's a difference between a concentration camp and a death camp. It doesn't have to be a death camp to still be fucking evil.

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in concentration camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast.

Yes, that was wrong.

However, they were not here ILLEGALLY with a policy PUT IN PLACE BY THE DEMS that states CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL!

ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY. AND THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT BEING CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL (because that is fucking stupid) BUT WITH BEING HERE ILLEGALLY. WHICH IS A MISDEAMEANOR AND WE DON"T NORMALLY IMPRISON PEOPLE CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANORS!!!

 

[Derec]

The term 'concentration camp' has a well defined meaning, and a history that pre-dates Naziism. The camps currently used to detain migrants in the USA and in places such as Manus Island, are concentration camps - that's a simple fact, and anyone who conflates the phrase 'concentration camp' with the phrase 'death camp' is simply wrong.

Originally, that was the case. But since Nazi Germany, the originally quite innocuous term "concentration camp" took on a much more sinister meaning. It is simply disingenuous to argue that AOC and other open border activists' use of the term "concentration camp" is not meant to invoke Nazi Germany.

 

[Half-Life]

Perhaps you are just trying to be flippant, but it comes across as idiotic and inhumane.


In this thread, bilby showed that concentration camps were used by the British in South Africa. Hell, one could argue that some of the early reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps.

Don't forget the Japanese Americans during WW2... And look at that, they're reusing one of the same concentration camps to detain children right now!

Yeah, it would be great if ICE took the kids to Disney Land and had fun every day instead!

Something tells me a headline of "ICE loses track of kids at Disney Land" wouldn't go over too well with the leftists.

 

[Jarhyn]

Perhaps you are just trying to be flippant, but it comes across as idiotic and inhumane.


In this thread, bilby showed that concentration camps were used by the British in South Africa. Hell, one could argue that some of the early reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps.

Yes, but this is different. People are here ILLEGALLY.

So, because the law says so, it must be right? The same law that said that Japanese were to be interned? The same law that said Jews must be interred (and executed)?

That one is called "argument from law". And guess what? That's a fallacy too!

 

[Derec]

ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY. AND THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT BEING CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL (because that is fucking stupid) BUT WITH BEING HERE ILLEGALLY. WHICH IS A MISDEAMEANOR AND WE DON"T NORMALLY IMPRISON PEOPLE CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANORS!!!

Asylum seeking is merely the latest ploy for facilitating illegal migration. Anybody can simply say "asylum". Doesn't make it true.
And what is your solution? Release all 100,000s of migrants that flood to our southern border into the country to live their lives? That's basically open borders.

 

[Half-Life]

Yes, that was wrong.

However, they were not here ILLEGALLY with a policy PUT IN PLACE BY THE DEMS that states CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARE CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL!

ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY. AND THEIR PARENTS ARE NOT BEING CHARGED WITH BEING ILLEGAL (because that is fucking stupid) BUT WITH BEING HERE ILLEGALLY. WHICH IS A MISDEAMEANOR AND WE DON"T NORMALLY IMPRISON PEOPLE CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANORS!!!

Yes, you know what the Obama administration did? They thought the immigrants were nice upstanding people so they told them, "Show up to your asylum hearing on this certain date and you are free to go now." Guess what happened? These nice upstanding people don't show up for their hearing and now they are now lost in the system.

You want Trump to continue that braindead policy?

 

[Derec]

So, because the law says so, it must be right?

It's wrong to leave your country open to unrestricted mass migration. US takes in enough legal immigrants as it is. We do not need these illegals that are flooding in. They need to go back.