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Melania Plagiarizes Michelle

Trump is not going to fire anyone got setting his wife up, not an honor issue I guess
 
Michelle Plagarized by Melania

FFS? I heard yesterday that Melania Trump had taken 6 weeks with a bunch of speech writers to write her convention speech. Turns out she lifted Michelle Obama, Rick Astley, My Little Ponies almost verbatim... just how much of that time was spent finding material to copy?

Unbelievable.

Converse.
 
RavenSky said:
Ford said:
I'm still trying to figure out where I know this Melania lady from. I mean Scott Baio was Chachi and Charles in Charge, Antonio Sabato Jr. was on General Hospital and Melrose Place, but I can't place Melania in the pantheon of washed up TV stars that support Trump. Was she on Baywatch?
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In case you are serious - she was a fashion model who's claim to fame is fucking the Cheeto while he was still married to wife #2, & then marrying him after the divorce. Trump once lied about Ivana being a fashion model. It's clear what Melania's best trait was in his eyes.

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But Melanoma said the cheeto Jesus was loyal???

And what's the deal with the RNC platform being against porn while we can d/l pictures of Mrs. Cheeto Jesus naked?
 
ZiprHead said:
RavenSky said:
In case you are serious - she was a fashion model who's claim to fame is fucking the Cheeto while he was still married to wife #2, & then marrying him after the divorce. Trump once lied about Ivana being a fashion model. It's clear what Melania's best trait was in his eyes.

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But Melanoma said the cheeto Jesus was loyal???

And what's the deal with the RNC platform being against porn while we can d/l pictures of Mrs. Cheeto Jesus naked?
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Is Trump aware of this? The porn thing, not his wife thing.
 
Wasn't the speechwriter that wrote those lines for Michelle Obama working on this speech with Melania?

If that's the case then is it really possible to plagiarize your own work?
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Rhea said:
Although this editorial reminds me that taking our eye off his bigger dangers should be avoided... Don't let the con distract us!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/violence-blood-and-betrayal-inside-the-trump-potemkin-village
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Incompetence and lack of preparedness for the Presidency are turning out to be bigger anti-Trump selling points amongst the undecided. I think that's because everybody is so used to having politicians' words taken out of context by their opponents in order to demonize them that when those words are taken in context people don't really believe that Trump was making the point that he was actually making. They tune it out as white noise.

The whole "You want this moron with his finger on the nuclear trigger" talking point seems to be getting more traction. Stories about how Trump is an incompetent boob who fucks everything up due to his not knowing what to do play better.
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Political conventions no longer serve the purpose of selecting a candidate. The GOP could have saved a lot of money and done all this through email, but that's another discussion.
Today, the Convention is a preview of how a prospective President's administration will operate. This can be a lot of fun, if you're pretty sure the candidate is going to lose. If this convention is a harbinger of a Trump White House, we are looking forward to an administration of people who have nothing to lose, because their careers up to this point have gained them little.
As for plagiarism, all cliches sound alike.
 
ksen said:
Wasn't the speechwriter that wrote those lines for Michelle Obama working on this speech with Melania?

If that's the case then is it really possible to plagiarize your own work?
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No. The speechwriter who worked with Michelle Obama on the original 2008 speech previously worked for Hillary Clinton. Sarah Hurwitz currently works for the Obama administration as a senior advisor
 
RavenSky said:
ksen said:
Wasn't the speechwriter that wrote those lines for Michelle Obama working on this speech with Melania?

If that's the case then is it really possible to plagiarize your own work?
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No. The speechwriter who worked with Michelle Obama on the original 2008 speech previously worked for Hillary Clinton. Sarah Hurwitz currently works for the Obama administration as a senior advisor
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Ah, ok thanks.
 
Eh, to be honest I feel bad for Melania. The whole debacle is pretty cringe-worthy. I doubt she had much to do with the actual writing of the speech. It's pretty amazing how incompetent some of those staffers must be.
 
J842P said:
Eh, to be honest I feel bad for Melania. The whole debacle is pretty cringe-worthy. I doubt she had much to do with the actual writing of the speech. It's pretty amazing how incompetent some of those staffers must be.
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As I said in the other thread, I also feel a little bit sorry for her. She clearly does not want to be a public speaker - even before this gaffe.

That said, she also claimed in an interview before the convention that she wrote her speech herself. So either she did - and this was the result - or she didn't and she lied. :shrug:
 
RavenSky said:
J842P said:
Eh, to be honest I feel bad for Melania. The whole debacle is pretty cringe-worthy. I doubt she had much to do with the actual writing of the speech. It's pretty amazing how incompetent some of those staffers must be.
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As I said in the other thread, I also feel a little bit sorry for her. She clearly does not want to be a public speaker - even before this gaffe.

That said, she also claimed in an interview before the convention that she wrote her speech herself. So either she did - and this was the result - or she didn't and she lied. :shrug:
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In the interview I read about, she claimed she "wrote it with as little help as possible," which is probably true even if she didn't write most of it. I hate public speaking, so I suppose it makes me empathetic. Anyway, what she says is being completely handled anyway.
 
Anyway, this article about sums up my feelings regarding the whole "plagiarism scandal:"

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016...y-just-shows-how-vapid-political-speeches-are

... Melania Trump could comfortably crib from Michelle Obama because contemporary political speeches are almost nothing but a string of empty nationalistic platitudes. Barack Obama himself, supposedly a brilliant speechmaker, has almost never in his entire political career uttered a single memorable phrase (can you think of one? No, that waffle about the red America and the blue America doesn’t count.) The difference between Obama’s rhetoric and Ronald Reagan’s consists of little more than slight variations in word choice. (Reagan: “I am speaking of the problem of our national security. Our nation is in danger, and the danger grows greater with each passing day.” Obama: “I’ve authorized U.S. forces to take out terrorists abroad precisely because I know how real the danger is. As Commander-in-Chief, I have no greater responsibility than the security of the American people.”) We know the whole phrase bank: no greater country in the world; the security of the American people; our hopes, aspirations, and dreams; my parents always taught me; the values that unite us. Thus even if Melania hadn’t directly plagiarized from Michelle Obama, she would almost certainly have ended up saying essentially the same thing. Her main sin seems to be that she forgot to jumble the words around a little....

If anything, the whole plagiarism scandal reflects somewhat poorly on Michelle Obama. One reason Obama’s words were able to play so well at the RNC was that in the lifted passages, Obama was speaking using the conservative language of “bootstrapping.” Obama’s sentence, that “the only limit” to one’s achievements is the height of one’s goal and the “willingness to work” toward it, is the Republican story about America. It’s the story of personal responsibility, in which the U.S. is overflowing with opportunity, and anyone who fails to succeed in such a land of abundance must simply not be trying hard enough....

...But the obsession with form over substance is characteristic of the liberal press. To the college-educated, there is no greater crime than plagiarism. (Jonah Lehrer, after all, was brought down because his books were plagiarized rather than because they were terrible.) The Melania Trump scandal represents the absurd logical extreme of this mindset. It doesn’t matter if you’re spouting total horse manure as long as it’s your own vaguely original horse manure.

If the plagiarism scandal is interesting, then, it is interesting because it exposes the bipartisan vapidity of modern political speechifying. It shows us that cheap myths about the rewards of “hard work” are now central to both parties’ vocabularies. To the extent that Melania Trump has demonstrated this, it should bring shame upon the Democratic Party....
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1. Who is calling it a "scandal"?
2. Another attempt to blame "the left" for Melania's mistake :rolleyes:

Seriously... they've blamed Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and now Michelle Obama!?! Because Melania Trump, or her speechwriter, decided to lift a couple of paragraphs almost word-for-word.
 
I'm waiting for someone in this convention to blame the Obamas, Hillary Clinton, and the mainstream media for

  • Recommending to the Lincolns that they take in a showing of Our American Cousin. "You'll die laughing."
  • Asking to ice on the Titanic
  • Smoking on the Hindenberg
  • And standing on a grassy knoll in Dallas.
 
RavenSky said:
1. Who is calling it a "scandal"?
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https://www.google.com/search?q=mel...ib_oDOAhVI9x4KHUGNCtQQsQQIJA&biw=1024&bih=663

2. Another attempt to blame "the left" for Melania's mistake :rolleyes:

Seriously... they've blamed Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and now Michelle Obama!?! Because Melania Trump, or her speechwriter, decided to lift a couple of paragraphs almost word-for-word.
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:consternation2:

So, you read that article, and what you got out of it was that it was attempting to "blame the left for Melania's mistake?" Really?! Does anyone even read anything on this board anymore, or is this some quixotic bizzaro-world where everyone tilts at windmills all day and criticizing right-wing talking points is criticizing the left, and criticizing the left is criticizing the Democrats...?
 
J842P said:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mel...ib_oDOAhVI9x4KHUGNCtQQsQQIJA&biw=1024&bih=663

2. Another attempt to blame "the left" for Melania's mistake :rolleyes:

Seriously... they've blamed Hillary Clinton, President Obama, and now Michelle Obama!?! Because Melania Trump, or her speechwriter, decided to lift a couple of paragraphs almost word-for-word.
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:consternation2:

So, you read that article, and what you got out of it was that it was attempting to "blame the left for Melania's mistake?" Really?! Does anyone even read anything on this board anymore, or is this some quixotic bizzaro-world where everyone tilts at windmills all day and criticizing right-wing talking points is criticizing the left, and criticizing the left is criticizing the Democrats...?
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I like the part where we are supposed to believe a college drop out and a guy who inherited his wealth worked very hard to get where they are. Michelle Obama's statements were accurate to their story, not the Trumps.
 
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