Mueller investigation

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Every single Republican in the Senate voted to remove him from office. Recall that was about his personal, private life, not something that affected the whole country.

Now, of course most Democrats voted to acquit while the Republicans voted to remove. The Democratic argument was your liberties are still safe with Clinton as President, even though he may have lied about a private matter. The Republican argument was "Waaahhh! Rule of Law! He technically lied under oath! Fire him! Lock him up! Burn down the country! Let every citizen of the world look at the blue dress and weep at how embarrassed we should be, but we're not because we're crybaby snowflakes."

So, I'm not going to buy Trump's lawyer's interpretation of anything. Live by the sword, die by it.

 

[RavenSky]

I don't remember, has Flynn participated in that "Lock her up!" bullshit?

bigly

 

[starwater]

I don't remember, has Flynn participated in that "Lock her up!" bullshit?

bigly

Yep at the Repub convention. I think NBC lead off with him saying it the other night and panned to him walking into the FBI building. Beautiful.

 

[Underseer]

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...-secretly-worked-on-1512425542-htmlstory.html

Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ssian-colleague-ghostwrote-editorial-u-s-says

Paul Manafort violated the terms of a deal he had by trying to influence public opinion about the case he will be tried for. Worse, he co-wrote the op-ed with individuals that have ties to Russian and Ukrainian intelligence.

At the point we can only assume that Manafort is so arrogant that he honestly doesn't think the law applies to him.

 

[blastula]

Time for a perp walk.

 

[jab]

yes, oh yes, oh yes indeed--Flynn said "lock her up."

 

[Copernicus]

Most commentators seem to be dismissing the importance of the Logan Act, because it is so old and almost never used. Here is a different take on the matter from two professors at the University of Chicago Law School: Why the Trump Team Should Fear the Logan Act.

 

[Artemus]

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/politics/was...-secretly-worked-on-1512425542-htmlstory.html

Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ssian-colleague-ghostwrote-editorial-u-s-says

Paul Manafort violated the terms of a deal he had by trying to influence public opinion about the case he will be tried for. Worse, he co-wrote the op-ed with individuals that have ties to Russian and Ukrainian intelligence.

At the point we can only assume that Manafort is so arrogant that he honestly doesn't think the law applies to him.

Trump only hires the best so why wouldn't he think that?

 

[Artemus]

More apparent perjury from a Trump aide. K.T. McFarland told the Senate Judiciary Committee that she was unaware of any of Flynn's communications with Russia during the transition. Her emails of course show that she was. Lot's of amnesia over that violation of the Logan Act.

 

[Underseer]

Rachel Maddow made a very important point in tonight's show.

Today was the day that Trump's lawyers stopped arguing that Trump did not obstruct justice to arguing that obstruction of justice is not a crime. Today was the day when Trump's lawyers switched from arguing that Trump did not collude with Russians to change the outcome of the election to arguing that it is not illegal for a presidential candidate to work with a foreign government to change the outcome of an American election.

They have all but admitted that he did both things.

 

[Old Woman in Purple]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Rachel Maddow made a very important point in tonight's show.

Today was the day that Trump's lawyers stopped arguing that Trump did not obstruct justice to arguing that obstruction of justice is not a crime. Today was the day when Trump's lawyers switched from arguing that Trump did not collude with Russians to change the outcome of the election to arguing that it is not illegal for a presidential candidate to work with a foreign government to change the outcome of an American election.

They have all but admitted that he did both things.

She must have read my post.

 

[Copernicus]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

Trump's lawyer is just playing his Nixon card. It is truly amazing that he would say such a thing. For a high-powered and high-paid lawyer, he seems to be giving really poor advice, but maybe he is just trying to get with Trump's game. He blurts out nonsense, and everyone goes into an uproar.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

If they control the Supreme Court, they can make it reality.

 

[bilby]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

Trump's lawyer is just playing his Nixon card. It is truly amazing that he would say such a thing. For a high-powered and high-paid lawyer, he seems to be giving really poor advice, but maybe he is just trying to get with Trump's game. He blurts out nonsense, and everyone goes into an uproar.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt8qCl5fPk[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Copernicus]

I can't believe that Trump makes Nixon look good. He makes GW look like a humanitarian and a genius. Maybe that was the Republican plan all along--to restore the reputations of some of their worst screw-ups.

 

[Underseer]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.

As for obstruction of justice, both Nixon and Clinton were or would have been or were charged with obstruction in their impeachment proceedings, so now the lawyers have to explain why it was illegal when Nixon or Clinton did it, but not when Trump did the same thing. Oh, and since we all know that the usual parties will chime in with "both sides-ism" arguments, let's not forget that Clinton was lying about a blow job, while Nixon and Trump were lying about changing the outcome of an election, and thus undermining our very system of government.

 

[TV and credit cards]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

Maybe they just don't care anymore. Maybe they feel they don't need to.

If they control the Supreme Court, they can make it reality.

Bingo. And if we loose another Justice, it's only going to get worse.

Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.

As for obstruction of justice, both Nixon and Clinton were or would have been or were charged with obstruction in their impeachment proceedings, so now the lawyers have to explain why it was illegal when Nixon or Clinton did it, but not when Trump did the same thing. Oh, and since we all know that the usual parties will chime in with "both sides-ism" arguments, let's not forget that Clinton was lying about a blow job, while Nixon and Trump were lying about changing the outcome of an election, and thus undermining our very system of government.

Ultimately, it's only illegal if the House says it's illegal. Are they not the hinge that needs to swing this door open?

 

[Artemus]

And now Mueller is looking into one of Trump's personal accounts. Despite Trump previously warning Mueller that that would be "a violation." Poor Donald, he isn't the dictator he thought he was and all these mean people are holding him accountable for his actions. It just isn't fair.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

'Obstruction of Justice' isn't a crime?!? Affecting the outcome of an election isn't illegal?!?! WTF?!? LAWYERS are saying this? What am I missing here?

Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.

As for obstruction of justice, both Nixon and Clinton were or would have been or were charged with obstruction in their impeachment proceedings, so now the lawyers have to explain why it was illegal when Nixon or Clinton did it, but not when Trump did the same thing. Oh, and since we all know that the usual parties will chime in with "both sides-ism" arguments, let's not forget that Clinton was lying about a blow job, while Nixon and Trump were lying about changing the outcome of an election, and thus undermining our very system of government.

The Attorney General Jeff Sessions has had a few words on the subject.

The chief law officer of the land, whose oath of office calls on him to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, crossed the line and failed to defend the law, and, in fact, attacked the law and the rights of a fellow citizen. Under our Constitution, equal justice requires that he forfeit his office.