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Mueller investigation

Ah, Mueller dares to cross that scary red line that FFvC stated last July and subpoenas his Deutsche Bank Records. Of course back in July, there weren't multiple indictments...As the Rotisserie turns.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...aid-to-have-received-subpoena-on-client-trump
Mueller issued a subpoena to Germany’s largest lender several weeks ago, forcing the bank to submit documents on its relationship with Trump and his family, according to a person briefed on the matter, who asked not to be identified because the action has not been announced.

“Deutsche Bank always cooperates with investigating authorities in all countries,” the lender said in a statement to Bloomberg Tuesday, declining to provide additional information.

Deutsche Bank for months has rebuffed calls by Democratic lawmakers to provide more transparency over the roughly $300 million Trump owed to the bank for his real estate dealings prior to becoming president.
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TV and credit cards said:
Maybe they just don't care anymore. Maybe they feel they don't need to.


Bingo. And if we loose another Justice, it's only going to get worse.

Underseer said:
Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.

As for obstruction of justice, both Nixon and Clinton were or would have been or were charged with obstruction in their impeachment proceedings, so now the lawyers have to explain why it was illegal when Nixon or Clinton did it, but not when Trump did the same thing. Oh, and since we all know that the usual parties will chime in with "both sides-ism" arguments, let's not forget that Clinton was lying about a blow job, while Nixon and Trump were lying about changing the outcome of an election, and thus undermining our very system of government.
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Ultimately, it's only illegal if the House says it's illegal. Are they not the hinge that needs to swing this door open?
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only one of the doors.. impeachment.
There are two other doors: Federal Indictment, and STATE Indictment, which is actually very interesting... as it is immune to self-pardon.

You think the House will let a sitting president serve a prison term under house arrest? I do.
 
Underseer said:
Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.
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I believe there was legal obligation to report Russia's attempt to reach out to the Cheato campaign, if nothing else ... could be wrong of course [/not a lawyer]
 
Malintent said:
TV and credit cards said:
Maybe they just don't care anymore. Maybe they feel they don't need to.


Bingo. And if we loose another Justice, it's only going to get worse.

Underseer said:
Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.

As for obstruction of justice, both Nixon and Clinton were or would have been or were charged with obstruction in their impeachment proceedings, so now the lawyers have to explain why it was illegal when Nixon or Clinton did it, but not when Trump did the same thing. Oh, and since we all know that the usual parties will chime in with "both sides-ism" arguments, let's not forget that Clinton was lying about a blow job, while Nixon and Trump were lying about changing the outcome of an election, and thus undermining our very system of government.
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Ultimately, it's only illegal if the House says it's illegal. Are they not the hinge that needs to swing this door open?
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only one of the doors.. impeachment.
There are two other doors: Federal Indictment, and STATE Indictment, which is actually very interesting... as it is immune to self-pardon.

You think the House will let a sitting president serve a prison term under house arrest? I do.
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My understanding is he can be indicted but cannot be removed from office unless impeached. Therefore, he would not serve any sentence until he vacates the office. If Mueller tries to indict Trump, it has to be with Rosenstein's blessing.

You think this country would reelect a convicted president to a second term?
 
TV and credit cards said:
Malintent said:
only one of the doors.. impeachment.
There are two other doors: Federal Indictment, and STATE Indictment, which is actually very interesting... as it is immune to self-pardon.

You think the House will let a sitting president serve a prison term under house arrest? I do.
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My understanding is he can be indicted but cannot be removed from office unless impeached. Therefore, he would not serve any sentence until he vacates the office. If Mueller tries to indict Trump, it has to be with Rosenstein's blessing.

You think this country would reelect a convicted president to a second term?
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13 months ago I would have said 'No' and been pretty certain about the accuracy of my answer.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Malintent said:
only one of the doors.. impeachment.
There are two other doors: Federal Indictment, and STATE Indictment, which is actually very interesting... as it is immune to self-pardon.

You think the House will let a sitting president serve a prison term under house arrest? I do.
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My understanding is he can be indicted but cannot be removed from office unless impeached. Therefore, he would not serve any sentence until he vacates the office. If Mueller tries to indict Trump, it has to be with Rosenstein's blessing.

You think this country would reelect a convicted president to a second term?
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Yes. I have seen the far reaches of the truly intellectually gifted thinkers... But the absolute potential for willful and harmful ignorance still eludes me.
 
joedad said:
Underseer said:
In other words, America is a banana republic now. Any amount of corruption is acceptable as long as the right palms get greased.
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Has it ever been any different?
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Yes. It has.

It's occasionally been much the same - and on each such occasion, it's been disastrous.

Of course, people have always felt as though it was all corruption and cronyism. But usually they have been indulging in hyperbole.

They're not now.
 
Elixir said:
Underseer said:
Colluding with a foreign power to change the outcome of an American election very much is illegal. In fact, trying to do so and failing to do so is still illegal.
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I believe there was legal obligation to report Russia's attempt to reach out to the Cheato campaign, if nothing else ... could be wrong of course [/not a lawyer]
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From what I understand, simply trying to get that information ("dirt") from the Russians violated this law, even if they weren't successful in getting the dirt that they wanted. Messing with American elections is serious business, or at least it used to be.

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joedad said:
Underseer said:
In other words, America is a banana republic now. Any amount of corruption is acceptable as long as the right palms get greased.
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Has it ever been any different?
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Nixon would almost certainly have been impeached and convicted if not for the fact that he resigned and got pardoned.
 
It's fake unless it comes from Donald Trimp's Twitter feed.

Unless his lawyer wrote that particular tweet. In that case, it's fake.
 
Underseer said:
blastula said:
Did you read it?



It's fake news.
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Yes, how does that identify the article as "fake news"?
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If you've heard of Claude Taylor, you would know he's a crank with zero relevant credentials. Even without hearing of him, that line is propaganda-speak, not news reporting. It could turn out to be true, but just by chance.

From a few months ago. Lurid Trump allegations made by Louise Mensch and co-writer came from hoaxer | US news | The Guardian
 
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