Mueller investigation

[Underseer]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Investigation	Mueller	Benghazi
Indictments or guilty pleas	32	Zero
Conclusion	Witch hunt. Nothingburger. It's a Deep State conspiracy!	The investigation found her guilty of treason. Why wasn't she convicted and executed? It's a Deep State conspiarcy!

Just a reminder for everyone of the glaring double standard. Mind you, the Mueller investigation is still ongoing. I'm sure we have lots more indictments coming in the future.

 

[Angry Floof]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Investigation	Mueller	Benghazi
Indictments or guilty pleas	32	Zero
Conclusion	Witch hunt. Nothingburger. It's a Deep State conspiracy!	The investigation found her guilty of treason. Why wasn't she convicted and executed? It's a Deep State conspiarcy!

Just a reminder for everyone of the glaring double standard. Mind you, the Mueller investigation is still ongoing. I'm sure we have lots more indictments coming in the future.

Yep. Mueller requested 100 more blank subpoenas.

 

[braces_for_impact]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Investigation	Mueller	Benghazi
Indictments or guilty pleas	32	Zero
Conclusion	Witch hunt. Nothingburger. It's a Deep State conspiracy!	The investigation found her guilty of treason. Why wasn't she convicted and executed? It's a Deep State conspiarcy!

Just a reminder for everyone of the glaring double standard. Mind you, the Mueller investigation is still ongoing. I'm sure we have lots more indictments coming in the future.

Yep. Mueller requested 100 more blank subpoenas.

As well as added more prosecutors. Look, even at this stage we're looking at a couple of years to get what we know of wrapped up. This is going to take some time yet.

 

[Underseer]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

Investigation	Mueller	Benghazi
Indictments or guilty pleas	32	Zero
Conclusion	Witch hunt. Nothingburger. It's a Deep State conspiracy!	The investigation found her guilty of treason. Why wasn't she convicted and executed? It's a Deep State conspiarcy!

Just a reminder for everyone of the glaring double standard. Mind you, the Mueller investigation is still ongoing. I'm sure we have lots more indictments coming in the future.

Yep. Mueller requested 100 more blank subpoenas.

As well as added more prosecutors. Look, even at this stage we're looking at a couple of years to get what we know of wrapped up. This is going to take some time yet.

The Nixon investigation went on for 4[ent]frac12[/ent] years and ended prematurely because Nixon resigned. Republicans seem determined to ignore the fact that real crimes can take longer than a 30 minute episode to investigate.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The Nixon investigation went on for 4[ent]frac12[/ent] years and ended prematurely because Nixon resigned. Republicans seem determined to ignore the fact that real crimes can take longer than a 30 minute episode to investigate.

I think the GOP is depending on the voters not understanding that real crimes take longer than a single TV episode.

 

[ZiprHead]

https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1019970082812940289

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1019970082812940289

link

That is 16 times out of 500, so the number looks huge, until presented next to the 500. So let's look at context.

The former campaign chairman for President Donald Trump and Devine worked together nearly a decade ago for former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and his pro-Kremlin Party of Regions, and the pair remained in contact until at least 2014.

Say what?!

According to the new court filing, Manafort and Devine communicated by email through June 2014, about five months before he joined the Sanders campaign that November.
Devine and Sanders had worked together on campaigns in the 1990s, and the Democratic strategist has also worked as a campaign aide to Al Gore, John Kerry, and Michael Dukakis.

Wow.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

...also from that twitter feed. interesting.

 

[bilby]

...also from that twitter feed. interesting.

Interesting if sourced. I could have written that. As could anyone else. It doesn't even say who DID write it, and we have no evidence that it wasn't written yesterday.

I am not even going to suggest that it isn't a real description of actual DNC policy - just that as there is no possible way to tell whether it is, it isn't evidence of anything, and therefore isn't particularly interesting.

Seriously, the whole set of severe political problems currently besetting the world stems from people accepting as evidence things that don't meet the bare minimum standard for credibility.

This is one of those things.

 

[RavenSky]

The Nixon investigation went on for 4[ent]frac12[/ent] years and ended prematurely because Nixon resigned. Republicans seem determined to ignore the fact that real crimes can take longer than a 30 minute episode to investigate.

Well... they "forget" that fact ONLY when it is a Republican being investigated

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

...also from that twitter feed. interesting.

Interesting if sourced. I could have written that. As could anyone else. It doesn't even say who DID write it, and we have no evidence that it wasn't written yesterday.

I am not even going to suggest that it isn't a real description of actual DNC policy - just that as there is no possible way to tell whether it is, it isn't evidence of anything, and therefore isn't particularly interesting.

Seriously, the whole set of severe political problems currently besetting the world stems from people accepting as evidence things that don't meet the bare minimum standard for credibility.

This is one of those things.

Yeah that twitter feed is pretty interesting...and might be bs. Who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...ted-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy

 

[bilby]

...also from that twitter feed. interesting.

Interesting if sourced. I could have written that. As could anyone else. It doesn't even say who DID write it, and we have no evidence that it wasn't written yesterday.

I am not even going to suggest that it isn't a real description of actual DNC policy - just that as there is no possible way to tell whether it is, it isn't evidence of anything, and therefore isn't particularly interesting.

Seriously, the whole set of severe political problems currently besetting the world stems from people accepting as evidence things that don't meet the bare minimum standard for credibility.

This is one of those things.

Yeah that twitter feed is pretty interesting...and might be bs. Who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...ted-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy

As far as I am concerned "pretty interesting" is completely annulled by "might be BS". By definition, stuff that might be BS is not interesting at all.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Yeah that twitter feed is pretty interesting...and might be bs. Who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...ted-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy

As far as I am concerned "pretty interesting" is completely annulled by "might be BS". By definition, stuff that might be BS is not interesting at all.

No, it is not completely nullified by the prospect of possibly being false. It most likely is true since it was covered in legit news outlets and the DNC did not deny it. If anything makes it something we ought not show interest in at all, it's that it was being used as a tool to divide us, not that it had a prospect of possibly being false. Just as Bernie went to support Hillary after the primary, it's important to remain unified against Twitler. Random (and probably true) emails could be used to try to divide opposition by the propagandists but that in no way lessens Trump's daily craziness, lies, meanness, authoritarian ways, or links to Russians.

 

[bilby]

Yeah that twitter feed is pretty interesting...and might be bs. Who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...ted-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy

As far as I am concerned "pretty interesting" is completely annulled by "might be BS". By definition, stuff that might be BS is not interesting at all.

No, it is not completely nullified by the prospect of possibly being false.

It is, if you care about facts. I concede that caring about facts is a rarity today, but contend that this is a bad thing, and that we should take steps to get more people to care about facts.

It most likely is true since it was covered in legit news outlets and the DNC did not deny it.

Then the articles in those outlets may well be interesting. But that doesn't make this picture of an alleged email interesting, unless and until those supporting sources are included. Hence my original statement: "Interesting if sourced."

If anything makes it something we ought not show interest in at all, it's that it was being used as a tool to divide us, not that it had a prospect of possibly being false.

Not at all. If the truth is divisive to a group, then that group deserves to be divided.

Just as Bernie went to support Hillary after the primary, it's important to remain unified against Twitler.

I agree. And it is even more important to use well evidenced arguments, and only well evidenced arguments, against those who wish to claim that facts do not exist, or are of no importance.

Random (and probably true) emails could be used to try to divide opposition by the propagandists

As can random but probably false one, or random but certainly false ones. Propaganda depends upon people believing lies, and when people accept as true those things that cannot be demonstrated to be true, they are wide open to being lied to.

but that in no way lessens Trump's daily craziness, lies, meanness, authoritarian ways, or links to Russians.

I didn't suggest for a second that it did.

But you cannot fight lies with lies.

 

[braces_for_impact]

I found this interesting. It seems Mueller's investigation identified a previously unknown hacker in Fancy Bear.

Mueller Finally Solves Mysteries About Russia’s ‘Fancy Bear’ Hackers

For nearly as long, security researchers have been hot on Fancy Bear’s tracks. Without Mueller’s access to spy agency intel, the researchers know the hackers by their fruits —the methods they use, the maze of covert serversundergirding their campaigns, and, most of all, their code. Where some other state-sponsored attackers prefer off-the-shelf malware, Fancy Bear is known for mostly staying in-house, developing and continuously improving dozens of purpose-built tools. Whenever one of those programs gets captured in the wild, researchers pick it apart for new insights into the Fancy Bear’s methods.

Fancy Bear has two primary long-term backdoors. One, called EvilToss, was built for flexibility, with a mechanism for loading malware plug-ins on the fly. The other is known, both to the Russians and their trackers, as X-Agent.

X-Agent is a reliable workhorse, time tested and proven, and packing all the basic features a cyber spy needs. Among other things it can steal passwords, watch keystrokes and capture images of the infected computer’s screen. Originally written for Windows, Fancy Bear has since ported the malware to Linux, OS-X, IOS and Android.

And so it was with some interest that security experts read the charges against one of the GRU officers named in the latest indictment: Lt. Cap. Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, who allegedly “developed, customized, and monitored X-Agent malware used to hack the DCCC and DNC networks.”Kozachek, the indictment reads, “used a variety of monikers, including ‘kazak.’”
“I was surprised,” says Kurt Baumgartner, principal security researcher at Kaspersky Labs’ global research team. “It’s been like playing chess against someone and never knowing who the opponent is.”

 

[ZiprHead]

Manafort's accountants granted immunity,

Yikes! Keep a good hold on the soap, Paulie.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Manafort's accountants granted immunity,

Yikes! Keep a good hold on the soap, Paulie.

He is going to be so pardoned, his grandchildren won't ever need lawyers.

 

[ZiprHead]

Manafort's accountants granted immunity,

Yikes! Keep a good hold on the soap, Paulie.

He is going to be so pardoned, his grandchildren won't ever need lawyers.

Pardoning someone like Manafort could be problematic. He can still be compelled to testify and he can't use the 5th amendment defense. Not to mention that Bonespurs cannot pardon state charges.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Manafort's accountants granted immunity,

Yikes! Keep a good hold on the soap, Paulie.

He is going to be so pardoned, his grandchildren won't ever need lawyers.

Pardoning someone like Manafort could be problematic. He can still be compelled to testify and he can't use the 5th amendment defense. Not to mention that Bonespurs cannot pardon state charges.

We are talking about a guy who openly stated that he loved sexually assaulting women because they just let you do it to them... and won the damn election. Nixon resigned when the Party told him it was over. Trump is seeing virtually no resistance from his own party... scratch that... the GOP (Trump isn't actually a Republican, which makes the GOP submission ever more surreal) which would seem to make any pardon of Manafort potentially of no consequence.

And sure, Manafort can always make with contempt of court... and get pardoned again.

 

[Underseer]

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...-Articles-of-Impeachment-Filed-489176731.html

Breaking news: Republican Representatives move to bring articles of impeachment against Rod Rosenstein.

Because that's what innocent people do, right? Shut down the very investigation that could prove them innocent.

Traitors. Every single person in the Republican party is either a traitor, someone who supports traitors, or someone trying to obstruct an investigation into treason.