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No: someone else talked about how Kavanaugh and his buddies would spike girls drinks with qualuuds and lure them into rooms where they were gang raped. Definitely a crime.

Who is this "someone else"? Do you have a link to this?

Julie Swetnick.

She was represented by Michael Avenatti. She also has a less pristine record than Christine Blasey Ford. On the other hand, she received multiple security clearances over her career, so she's not as sketchy as some in the current Administration. People have reason to be somewhat skeptical but not to refuse to consider her claims.

Her testimony should have been made under oath and duly considered during the vetting process, not swept aside and ignored.
 
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Yes, that core belief that women should receive equal opportunities and fair treatment, and that our sex shouldn't be used to discriminate.

I believe that, but I am not a feminist.
 
No: someone else talked about how Kavanaugh and his buddies would spike girls drinks with qualuuds and lure them into rooms where they were gang raped. Definitely a crime.

Who is this "someone else"? Do you have a link to this?

Julie Swetnick.

She was represented by Michael Avenatti. She also has a less pristine record than Christine Blasey Ford. On the other hand, she received multiple security clearances over her career, so she's not as sketchy as some in the current Administration. People have reason to be somewhat skeptical but not to refuse to consider her claims.

Her testimony should have been made under oath and duly considered during the vetting process, not swept aside and ignored.

This popped out at me from that article:

Judge Kavanaugh has repeatedly denied allegations that he behaved inappropriately toward women. On Monday, the judge, with his wife at his side, denied on Fox News that he had ever assaulted anyone, saying he had always “treated women with dignity and respect.
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On Wednesday afternoon, more than 60 classmates from Georgetown Prep and women from sister schools who say they knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school signed a letter to rebut Ms. Swetnick’s allegations and deny ever having met her. “We never witnessed any behavior that even approaches what is described in this allegation. It is reprehensible,” said the letter, which was addressed to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “Brett Kavanaugh is a good man. He has always treated women with respect and decency.

Nearly identical phrasing.
 
The fact is, if a person describes the inside of the house where a party happened, wherein they claim were raped or someone attempted rape In a particular narrow timeframe which included the date of that documented party, then the very fact that someone else claims that neither they nor the victim were there is called into question. In fact, just the denial by the second person that the party happened, especially when it is that second person's own calendar that documents it, constitutes a flaw in character so deep that it already disqualifies them from any position of trust.

At the very least, the lie about the very possibility of there having been such a party in the clear face of their own documented evidence otherwise is damning.

Then, they could go to that place and verify if it is the one she described in their accounts, and further question others involved to determine in addition to perjury about the existence of any party, whether there was also corroboration of her presence in the house (a candidate house matching her rather specific descriptions owned by the person described on the calandar), and questioning those involved to determine if there was also an attempted rape.

So really, the existence and knowledge of the party in the face of denial of the party's existence is the primary breach of trust re: Beerbro; the rape is just above and beyond.
 
Julie Swetnick.

She was represented by Michael Avenatti. She also has a less pristine record than Christine Blasey Ford. On the other hand, she received multiple security clearances over her career, so she's not as sketchy as some in the current Administration. People have reason to be somewhat skeptical but not to refuse to consider her claims.

Her testimony should have been made under oath and duly considered during the vetting process, not swept aside and ignored.

The fact she was represented by scam artist Avenatti says it all.
 
Julie Swetnick.

She was represented by Michael Avenatti. She also has a less pristine record than Christine Blasey Ford. On the other hand, she received multiple security clearances over her career, so she's not as sketchy as some in the current Administration. People have reason to be somewhat skeptical but not to refuse to consider her claims.

Her testimony should have been made under oath and duly considered during the vetting process, not swept aside and ignored.

The fact she was represented by scam artist Avenatti says it all.

Gee, I thought that being a woman was enough for you.
 
So, if we can discount a person's testimony out-of-hand because they are represented by a person who has a less-than-sterling record, can we discount a person's arguments out-of-hand when they themselves have a track record of being full of shit?

And if the former is an argument by the latter, does that put us in deep paradox territory?
 
So, if we can discount a person's testimony out-of-hand because they are represented by a person who has a less-than-sterling record, can we discount a person's arguments out-of-hand when they themselves have a track record of being full of shit?

Less than sterling ? Avenatti is a convicted extortionist and fraudster. Out of jail now though.
 
It’s 2020 and we still don’t know what survivor justice looks like by Rep. Ayanna Pressley
I’m here for an uncomfortable conversation. Not because it’s convenient. Not because it’s strategic. Because it’s necessary. I am a survivor. I am an elected official. I am not new to watching survivors bare their souls, and I am not new to being offered false choices in politics.

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Our assumptions and our starting points for these conversations have to change, and the allegations against Joe Biden are no exception. Listening to the stories of those who step forward is the baseline. We say “believe survivors” because, for nearly all of history, the experiences of survivors have been dismissed and derided by a society steeped in misogyny and hatred. We advocate that we begin with assumptions of credibility and move to due process and reconciliation.

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Let’s hold space to speak plainly about where we find ourselves. My Republican colleagues who voted against the Violence Against Women Act, slammed doors in the faces of survivors during the Kavanaugh hearings, and are spending millions to weaponize these allegations against Democratic women in purple states, do not care at all about survivor justice. What they care about is using anything they can to undermine the Democratic nominee. It is a shameless and brutal exercise that does nothing but irrevocably harm the very people such opportunists claim to be standing up for.

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So I’m here to ask the Biden campaign and the nominee to give a response that models the empathy, diligence, and acknowledgement of broken systems that this conversation demands. I’m asking for true partnership with survivors and advocates, and for policy commitments that get us closer as a nation to reconciling our history of structural violence and oppression.
 
So, if we can discount a person's testimony out-of-hand because they are represented by a person who has a less-than-sterling record, can we discount a person's arguments out-of-hand when they themselves have a track record of being full of shit?

Less than sterling ? Avenatti is a convicted extortionist and fraudster. Out of jail now though.

You didn't answer the question.
 
Julie Swetnick.

She was represented by Michael Avenatti. She also has a less pristine record than Christine Blasey Ford. On the other hand, she received multiple security clearances over her career, so she's not as sketchy as some in the current Administration. People have reason to be somewhat skeptical but not to refuse to consider her claims.

Her testimony should have been made under oath and duly considered during the vetting process, not swept aside and ignored.

The fact she was represented by scam artist Avenatti says it all.

No, actually, it says nothing at all.
 
No she didn't.

Yes, she did, but, regardless, you have zero qualifications to make that call.

Derec as as much qualifications to make that call as any of us.

No, he literally does not, as the article I linked to--and Derec pathetically attempted to dismiss with an ad hominem "shyster" pejorative--clearly and explicitly delineates:

What is the corroborative evidence that shows that Christine Ford was telling the truth and that Brett Kavanaugh’s denial was false?

The corroborating evidence is what the law calls a “prior consistent statement.” This is a statement that a person makes prior to the incident in question that is consistent with her version of the events. Prior consistent statements become especially pertinent when a witness in a case is accused of fabricating a story. In such a case, the law permits the person to show, as a way to corroborate her testimony, that she told others the same story long before she supposedly fabricated the story.

The evidentiary principle of “prior consistent statement” as corroborative evidence is especially pertinent in the case of Christine Ford. That’s because she had previously told several people of the assault she had suffered and, more significantly, she told these people of the assault long before Kavanaugh was even nominated to the Court and even before Justice Kennedy had announced his retirement from the Court.

In June 2013, five years before the Kavanaugh nomination, Ford was having lunch with a friend named Adela Gildo-Mazzon, who has been a California realtor for 15 years. During that lunch, Ford told Gildo-Mazzon that she had almost been raped by a man who is a federal judge. She also stated in her affidavit that she had not talked to Ford since May 2018, which was before Kennedy had resigned and before Kavanaugh had been nominated.

Under the law, the statement that Ford made to Gildo-Mazzon constitutes corroborating evidence that buttresses Ford’s accusation against Kavanaugh. That’s because it is a “prior consistent statement,” one that was made even before Kennedy resigned and before Kavanaugh was nominated and, for that matter, before Donald Trump even became president.

Gildo-Mazzon’s affidavit was in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee prior to its rushed confirmation vote last Saturday.

In 2016, Ford was standing in a public area with Keith Koegler, who was a family friend of the Fords and also their son’s softball coach, watching their children play. During the conversation they were having, Ford told Koegler that she had been assaulted by a man who is now a federal judge. That was two years before Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court.

Under the law, the statement that Christine made to Koegler constitutes corroborating evidence that buttresses Ford’s accusation against Kavanaugh. That’s because it is a “prior consistent statement,” one that was made long before Kennedy had resigned and before Kavanaugh had been nominated and, for that matter, even before Donald Trump had become president.

Koegler’s affidavit setting forth these facts was in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee prior to its rushed confirmation vote last Saturday.

In 2017, Ford told a neighbor named Rebecca White that she had been assaulted by an older teen who is now a federal judge. That was the year before the Kavanaugh nomination.

Under the law, the statement that Christine made to White constitutes corroborating evidence that buttresses Ford’s accusation against Kavanaugh. That’s because it is a “prior consistent statement,” one that was made before Kennedy resigned and before Kavanaugh was nominated.

White’s sworn affidavit setting forth this fact was in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee prior to its rushed confirmation vote last Saturday.

In 2002 when Russell and Christine Ford got married, she told him that she was a sex-abuse victim. That was 16 years before the Kavanaugh nomination. In 2012, Russell listened to Christine tell her therapist that two boys pinned her to a bed, molested her, and prevented her from screaming. Russell stated that during the therapy session, Christine mentioned Kavanaugh’s name. That was 6 years before the Kavanaugh nomination.

Under the law, the statements that Christine made to Russell in 2002 and the statements she made in his presence during that 2012 therapy session constitute corroborating evidence that buttresses Ford’s accusation against Kavanaugh. That’s because it is a “prior consistent statement,” one that was made before Kennedy resigned and before Kavanaugh was nominated and, for that matter, even before Donald Trump became president.

Russell’s sworn affidavit setting forth these facts was in the hands of the Senate Judiciary Committee prior to its rushed confirmation vote last Saturday.

In 2012, Christine Ford told her therapist that she had suffered an assault by students from “an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking member of society in Washington.” The therapist has written notes that confirm that Ford made that statement in 2012. That was six years before the Kavanaugh appointment. Ford’s therapist also has notes that reflect that in 2013, Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens. That was five years before the Kavanaugh nomination.

Under the law, Christine’s statements to her therapist in 2012 and 2013 constitute corroborating evidence that buttress her accusation against Kavanaugh. That’s because they are “prior consistent statements,” ones that were made before Kennedy resigned and before Kavanaugh was nominated and, for that matter, before Donald Trump even became president.
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Ford’s prior consistent statements to her three friends, her husband, and her therapist, are obviously critically important corroborative evidence because they tend to show that she hasn’t recently fabricated her story, as President Trump and others are now asserting. Equally important, the fact that she made the prior consistent statements prior to Kennedy’s resignation and Kavanaugh’s nomination serves to reinforce the truthfulness of her testimony.

As Laurie Levenson, a former prosecutor and current criminal law and evidence professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. put it in the HuffPost article:

They are what we would call “prior consistent statements” ― in other words, [Ford] was telling people about this before she had the alleged motive to fabricate. If this were a court of law, this would be significant, but it’s all gotten lost in the partisanship.​

The HuffPost article points out that there was a shockingly high level of unawareness of or indifference to all this corroborating evidence among members the Senate Judiciary Committee, notwithstanding the fact that the corroborating evidence of Ford’s accusation against Kavanaugh was in their hands.

Perhaps that is understandable for those members of the Senate Judiciary Committee who aren’t lawyers. They might well be among those people who mistakenly believe that corroborating evidence can consist only of eyewitness testimony.

But what about the lawyers on the committee? What was their excuse for not bringing this corroborating evidence to the attention of the committee prior to the rushed confirmation vote on Saturday?

There was one section of the HuffPost article that particularly caught my eye:

Asked about the affidavits last week, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said the people didn’t really have corroborating information. “Those are not people who witnessed the alleged event,” he said.​

That section is both shocking and befuddling. The section makes clear that Cornyn was well aware of the affidavits. But if that section of the article is, in fact, true, it makes absolutely no sense. John Cornyn was one of the most brilliant trial attorneys in Texas. He also served six years as a state district judge. He also served seven years as a justice on the Texas Supreme Court. He also served three years as the state’s attorney general.

Assuming that section of the HuffPost article is correct, how in the world could Cornyn not know that under the law prior consistent statements constitute “corroborating information.” Yet, there it is: Cornyn’s statement that because the people who swore that Christine Ford made prior consistent statements are not “eyewitnesses,” their sworn statements cannot be considered “corroborating information.”

Rule 801(d) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which are the evidentiary rules for trials in federal court, states in part as follows:

Statements That Are Not Hearsay. A statement that meets the following conditions is not hearsay: A Declarant-Witness’s Prior Statement. The declarant testifies and is subject to cross-examination about a prior statement, and the statement … is consistent with the declarant’s testimony and is offered to rebut an express or implied charge that the declarant recently fabricated it or acted from a recent improper influence or motive in so testifying….​

How could Cornyn not know that?

In 1995, when Cornyn was serving as a justice on the Texas Supreme Court, the U.S. Supreme Court decided the case of Tome v. United States, where the court’s opinion stated in part as follows:

The prevailing common law rule for more than a century before adoption of the Federal Rules of Evidence was that a prior consistent statement introduced to rebut a charge of recent fabrication or improper influence or motive was admissible if the statement had been made before the alleged fabrication, influence, or motive came into being, but it was inadmissible if made afterwards. As Justice Story explained: “[W]here the testimony is assailed as a fabrication of a recent date .. in order to repel such imputation, proof of the antecedent declaration of the party may be admitted.”

Impeachment by charging that the testimony is a recent fabrication or results from an improper influence or motive is, as a general matter, capable of direct and forceful refutation through introduction of out-of-court consistent statements that predate the alleged fabrication, influence, or motive. A consistent statement that predates the motive is a square rebuttal of the charge that the testimony was contrived as a consequence of that motive…. Evidence that a witness made consistent statements after the alleged motive to fabricate arose may suggest in some degree that the in-court testimony is truthful, and thus suggest in some degree that that testimony did not result from some improper influence​

How could Cornyn not know that?

In 1998, the year that Cornyn gave up his seat on the Texas Supreme Court to become the state’s attorney general, the Texas Second Court of Appeals, issued an opinion in the case of Bolden v. State, which stated in pertinent part as follows:

Although this is a case of first impression, we are guided by our sister courts in the federal circuits who have addressed this issue under FED.R.EVID. 801(d)(1)(B)…. We find, therefore, that Martin’s prior consistent statement was properly admitted under Rule 801(e)(1)(B) for purposes of rehabilitating an impeached witness.​

How could Cornyn not know that?

In Issue 3, volume 30, of the Hastings Law Journal (1979), an article entitled “Prior Consistent Statements: Rule 801(d)(b)(1) (B) of the Federal Rules of Evidence, Critique and Proposal” by Michael H. Graham states:

Complicating the analysis of the corroborative value of the prior statement is the fact that it is also relevant to an evaluation of witness credibility and accordingly to an evaluation of the weight to be given to the witness’ in-court testimony. The concept of corroboration thus possesses two dimensions. Not only does corroboration refer to the concept that a prior consistent statement may constitute independent evidence directly relevant to establishing a fact of consequence, but the concept of corroboration also encompasses use of a prior consistent statement as evidence which tends to buttress the credibility of the in-court declarant. By buttressing the credibility of the witness, the prior consistent statement is relevant as it indirectly provides probative evidence as to a fact of consequence.​

How could Cornyn not know that?

Is it possible that in the rush to a confirmation vote Cornyn simply forgot that prior consistent statements constitute corroborating evidence?

The person who wrote that piece was not only a trial attorney for twelve years and a professor of law in Texas, but he's also evidently a regular on Fox News:

This post was written by: Jacob G. Hornberger

Jacob G. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation. He was born and raised in Laredo, Texas, and received his B.A. in economics from Virginia Military Institute and his law degree from the University of Texas. He was a trial attorney for twelve years in Texas. He also was an adjunct professor at the University of Dallas, where he taught law and economics. In 1987, Mr. Hornberger left the practice of law to become director of programs at the Foundation for Economic Education. He has advanced freedom and free markets on talk-radio stations all across the country as well as on Fox News’ Neil Cavuto and Greta van Susteren shows and he appeared as a regular commentator on Judge Andrew Napolitano’s show Freedom Watch.
 
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Yes, that core belief that women should receive equal opportunities and fair treatment, and that our sex shouldn't be used to discriminate.

I believe that, but I am not a feminist.

You know, I spent years and years saying the same thing. I spent a long time insisting I wasn't a feminist, because people like you were so incredibly derisive of feminism as a whole, and constantly held up the very, very worst possible examples of behavior, and treated them as if they were representative of the whole. People like you created a narrative centered around "feminazis" and "man-haters" and crazy women. Enough so that I didn't want to be associated with that label, despite the fact that my actual beliefs and feelings and actions were clearly in line with the core of feminism.

It's only now that I've aged, and I no longer give a crap what people like you say, that I have embraced feminism for what it actually is instead of the caricature that was painted.
 
Yes, that core belief that women should receive equal opportunities and fair treatment, and that our sex shouldn't be used to discriminate.

I believe that, but I am not a feminist.

You know, I spent years and years saying the same thing. I spent a long time insisting I wasn't a feminist, because people like you were so incredibly derisive of feminism as a whole, and constantly held up the very, very worst possible examples of behavior, and treated them as if they were representative of the whole. People like you created a narrative centered around "feminazis" and "man-haters" and crazy women. Enough so that I didn't want to be associated with that label, despite the fact that my actual beliefs and feelings and actions were clearly in line with the core of feminism.

It's only now that I've aged, and I no longer give a crap what people like you say, that I have embraced feminism for what it actually is instead of the caricature that was painted.

A common motif. Instead of accepting the definition from those who coin the terms/phrases, certain people in our society always try to take control of the narrative and rewrite it in their own terms, usually in an attempt to invert or otherwise subvert the message. Bizarre in its transparency and pathos. It's what petulant children do.
 
Nearly identical phrasing.

Sure... but it's also very common phrasing. It's not unique enough to be any kind of tell-tale, imo.

Here's what he said in a Fox News interview on September 23rd (or 24th) of 2018:

No. I had never sexually assaulted anyone, not in high school, not ever. I’ve always treated women with dignity and respect.

Listen to the people who’ve known me best through my whole life, the women who have known me since high school, the 65 who overnight signed a letter from high school saying I always treated them with dignity and respect

That's a different letter, mind you, from September 14th. In that letter they state:

For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.... In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect.

They also note that he attended an all-boys prep school, while they attended all-girls schools. Which means, of course, that their interactions with him were only in social situations, not on a daily basis. Indeed they even make that clear:

We knew Brett well through social events, sports, church, and various other activities.

Ok, well, sports would only mean they sat and either watched him playing whatever sports he was involved in or saw him in the bleachers etc. Iow, very public spaces. Church, of course, would likely also not be a place anyone would attempt to sexually assault someone else, but I guess it happens, so that narrows it down to "various other activities." Well, what would those be? Parties, of course. Why they didn't mention that is a bit odd--and revealing imo--but not "tell-tale" in and of itself.

What it does reveal, however, is a considered attempt, by the author of the letter (which likely was not a group project among 65 people) to, at the very least, downplay the notion that Kavanaugh ever attended any parties at all. But why would the author of the letter do that if it weren't a legitimate concern?

So, after the Fox News interview on September 24th, yet another letter surfaces on September 28th. This one is signed by 60 people who knew Kavanaugh in high school, only many of the names are the same as on the all-female letter of 65 where they also used that phrasing.

Names on the September 14th letter:

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Names on the September 28th letter:

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You are asked to sign a letter on September 14th that affirms that you think young Kavanaugh "always treated women with decency and respect." You are then asked to sign another letter saying the exact same thing some eight days later. Why? Because Julie Swetnick came forward and cast the same aspersions?

Here is part of the September 28th letter:

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Notice again that the author of the letter carefully omits any mention of parties. But here is Julie Swetnik's statement. It is clear and direct and offers numerous material statements of fact and details that any forensic investigation could have easily uncovered had it ever been investigated.

Which brings us back to the Fox interview with Kavanaugh very clearly dodging the idea of an FBI investigation:

MS. MacCALLUM: Do you believe there should be an F.B.I. investigation into these allegations and that a pause should happen and, you know, sort it all out? If there’s nothing to worry about and nothing to hide, why not have that process, Ashley? And then I’ll ask you that, Brett.

JUDGE KAVANAUGH: I mean, I’ve said all along and Ashley, too, I want to be heard. I was first interviewed last Monday, the day after the allegation appeared by the committee staff under penalty of felony, and I denied this categorically and unequivocally and I said twice during that, I said, “I want a hearing tomorrow,” last Tuesday, a week ago.

I want an opportunity — a fair process. America’s about fairness, I want a fair process where I can defend my integrity and clear my name as quickly as I can in whatever forum the Senate deems appropriate.

So, he doesn't want an FBI investigation and putting his SCOTUS nomination on hold as part of that fair process; his idea of a "fair process" is just the Senate process already in session (i.e., his nomination hearing), where he is already defending his "integrity." Nothing could possibly clear his name better or "defend" his integrity more conclusively than an FBI investigation. Yet, he clearly and immediately dismissed the whole idea in favor of whatever the Senate deems appropriate. A Senate he knows full well is controlled by Republicans.

And, lo and behold, Swetnik was deliberately and inexplicably left out of the FBI investigation that never actually was an investigation:

The FBI will not interview Julie Swetnick, the third woman to accuse Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, according to multiple reports and the Republican senator Lindsey Graham, highlighting the narrow scope of the agency’s supplemental investigation into Donald Trump’s supreme court nominee.

After NBC News and the other outlets said Swetnick would not be questioned, the White House, which has stood by Kavanaugh through the fallout from an explosive Senate hearing on Thursday, denied it was limiting the investigation.

On Saturday Donald Trump said on Twitter he wanted the FBI “to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion”.

On Sunday Kellyanne Conway, a senior Trump counselor, told CNN’s State of the Union: “We trust the hardworking men and women of the FBI to do their jobs, and they will determine what will be included within that scope.”
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A report in the New York Times indicated that only one of the accusers, Ramirez, would initially be interviewed by the FBI, after the White House approved a list of just four witnesses. The investigation was described as a limited background check, not a criminal inquiry. It was opened after an intervention from the Arizona Republican senator Jeff Flake and is set to last no longer than a week.

In spite of the fact that:

The other three witnesses to be questioned by the FBI, the New York Times reported, are Kavanaugh’s friend Mark Judge and Leland Keyser and PJ Smyth, also said to have been at the party at which Ford says Kavanaugh assaulted her.

Questioned in regard to a "limited background check"? WTF does that entail?

Well, we have this from On Kavanaugh and the FBI, time to investigate the investigation: Sen. Whitehouse:

Another flag went up when FBI Director Christopher Wray began to disavow responsibility for the investigation. He pointed out very publicly that the Kavanaugh investigation was not being run under FBI investigative protocols but following directions from the White House — a passing of the buck seemingly to distance his organization from what it had to know was a bogus investigative effort. Indeed, Wray told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in October that the FBI’s investigation of the sexual assault claims was “limited in scope,” and that the bureau’s authority to carry out the investigation was “as requested by the adjudicating agency. ... In this case, it's the White House."

Republicans repeatedly described the allegations against Kavanaugh as "uncorroborated." Many allegations were in fact corroborated under well-established principles of law. But the party rallying around that talking point had a powerful motivation to thwart any investigation that might turn up even more corroboration and explode the talking point. More warning flags flapped.

Here is the actual exchange with Wray:

HARRIS: And when the FBI was directed then to do that investigation as it relates to those specific allegations, was the FBI given full discretion or was the scope of the investigation limited by the direction you received from the White House?

WRAY: Well, Senator, I want to be a little bit careful about what I can talk about in this setting.

HARRIS: So I’m clear, I’m not asking you for the content of the investigation.

WRAY: Understood.

HARRIS: Just the process.

WRAY: Understood. There are MOUs and other things that go back a ways that govern this. But I think it's important -- I would say this, it's important to understand that the -- unlike most investigations like the sort that you and I and Senator Jones have all been familiar with, traditional criminal investigations, national security investigations, a background investigation is very different and that is done -- our only authority is as requested by the adjudicating agency.

HARRIS: The White House in this case.

WRAY: In this case, it’s the White House.

ETA: I was able to find who started the September 14th letter (and, presumably, the later letter as well, considering, once again, that it's signed by many of the same ones who signed the first letter):

When word of a high-school-era sexual misconduct allegation against Kavanaugh emerged last Thursday afternoon, Meghan McCaleb and her husband, Scott, thought they and other high school friends of the nominee needed to speak out. Meghan McCaleb said she launched the letter-writing effort after discussing it with some of Kavanaugh’s former law clerks.

Of further note from that article:

McCaleb said “I’m not certain” when asked on Fox News whether she believed Ford, a friend of a friend who went to the same local pool Ford did. “She alleges that she had this traumatic event, and I feel like it is not the Brett Kavanaugh that we know.”

It never is. The fact that you didn't personally witness someone raping someone else in no way exonerates the rapist. It's almost a cliche that the one you least expect to be a serial killer/rapist is the one that ends up being a serial killer/rapist, so, at best these letters can only serve to affirm one thing and one thing only: these particular individuals did not personally witness the alleged attack.

But we already knew this was the case from Ford's testimony. She stated only one other person was in the room (Judge), who, not too surprisingly, denied having participated in a felony rape.

And there's this little tidbit regarding Judge (who, recall, was NOT investigated by the FBI in spite of the fast and loose way that term was thrown around as we subsequently have learned and the above quotes from Wray illuminate):

Judge could also potentially answer questions from the FBI about Kavanaugh's other activities in high school. Judge wrote a memoir about alcoholism titled, “Wasted: Tales of a GenX Drunk,” in which he described a friend named “Bart O’Kavanaugh,” who threw up and passed out after drinking too much at a high school party.

From Wiki:

Wasted: Tales of a GenX Drunk is a 1997 memoir about alcoholism, binge drinking, and hookup culture at Georgetown Preparatory School, written by Mark Judge. Judge recounts his early formative experiences growing up in suburbs of Washington, D.C. under Catholic school education. The author describes his secondary education at Georgetown Preparatory School as filled with heavy drinking and experiences of teenage alcoholism.
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Wasted describes in detail the author's secondary education memories, particularly those involving heavy alcohol usage by his peers and himself at Georgetown Preparatory School. The author writes that the social environment of his peers at the school was, "positively swimming in alcohol". Judge recounts a hookup culture involving binge drinking, especially during a period of time at the school known as "Beach Week". Judge defined "Beach Week" at Georgetown Preparatory School as a "week-long bacchanalia of drinking and sex, or at least attempts at sex". The author discusses a phrase, "100 Kegs Or Bust", in relation to excessive alcohol drinking during his times at Georgetown Preparartory School. Judge remembers a student he refers to as Bart O'Kavanaugh who passed out and threw up in a car. The author recounts going to drink alcohol with his friends at bars for many evenings in a row. He presents in-depth memories of orgies and attempts to have sex fueled with alcohol at residences along the beach shoreline.

Judge recounts episodes of heavy drinking and blackouts during his four years of study at Catholic University of America. The author is able to graduate from university in spite of heavy alcohol use. Judge acknowledges in the book that in his later twenties, he regularly blacked out while drunk, and awoke in locations with no memory of having arrived there.

And that's not all! He wrote a second memoir that ALSO detailed the "wild" parties:

After the publication of Wasted, Judge went on to author a second book about his time at Georgetown Preparatory School. Judge published God and Man at Georgetown Prep in 2005. The memoir detailed how he published the school's underground newspaper which had information on wild parties.

So, the other guy alleged to have been in the room with Ford and Kavanaugh at least have written extensively about the heavy drinking and ORGY parties and "week-long bacchanalia of drinking and sex, or at least attempts at sex" in not just one, but two memoirs written long before any of this more current accusations were ever made, including a likely reference to his younger friend in the form of a character named "Bart O'Kavanaugh."

It strains credulity that there existed both a Brett Kavanaugh and a Bart O'Kavanaugh at the same school and "Bart" hasn't come forward. What did come forward, however, was this NYT piece about a letter Kavanaugh wrote in 1983:

The beachfront property was rented, the guests were invited and an ever-organized Brett M. Kavanaugh had some advice for the seven Georgetown Preparatory School classmates who would be joining him for the weeklong escapade.

In a 1983 letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, the young Judge Kavanaugh warned his friends of the danger of eviction from an Ocean City, Md., condo. In a neatly written postscript, he added: Whoever arrived first at the condo should “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us. Advise them to go about 30 miles...”
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Recent interviews with more than a dozen classmates and friends from that time depict Judge Kavanaugh as a member of a small clique of football players who dominated Georgetown Prep’s work-hard, play-hard culture. His circle celebrated a culture of heavy drinking, even by the standards of that era.
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Even the faculty adviser to Georgetown Prep’s 1983 yearbook — a publication littered with debasing comments about women and references to drunken debauchery — has been wondering whether he will hear from the F.B.I., a family member said.

The judge has said that he attended high school parties. “Sometimes I had too many beers,” he testified, adding that he has “cringed” at some of his behavior back then. But his public statements don’t fully capture the binge-drinking culture in which classmates say he was a core participant.
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Parties, in the backyards of classmates’ suburban homes when their parents were away, would often attract hundreds of students from nearby private schools, his classmates recall. Five or 10 kegs would be procured and, if all went as planned, drained by the end of the night.

One night during his senior year, according to classmates who witnessed it, Judge Kavanaugh triumphantly hoisted an empty beer keg above his head, in recognition that he and his friends were well on their way to reaching their goal of polishing off 100 kegs during the academic year — an achievement they later boasted about in their yearbook.

Four Georgetown Prep classmates said they saw Judge Kavanaugh and his friends partake in binge-drinking rituals many weekends in which other partygoers saw them inebriated, even having difficulty standing. Three of those classmates signed a July letter, along with more than 150 other alumni, that endorsed him for the Supreme Court.

Now we know why the letters scrupulously avoided mentioning any parties.

Oh, and there was one other thing of note in the NYT article:

Judge Kavanaugh — nicknamed “Bart” after a Georgetown Prep teacher garbled “Brett”

Bart O'Kavanaugh indeed.
 
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