The Race For 2024

[Jimmy Higgins]

Seems to me, Christian Nationalists/Dominionists (and their enablers and sympathizers) are a much more immediate threat to US society as we know it than Islam.

If you're a man.

You can't be that unaware of what the Christian Dominionists want and advocate for?

I know that they don't advocate for women to be kept as property, denied all education, not allowed to drive or be out in public without a male escort, or be stoned for the sin of having been raped.

Want to ban contraception. Telling teens to go to college to find a husband. Stay at home and be a Mom. These are all actual things that are being advocated for in America. Anti-Semitism (as a bonus). It wasn't that long ago a woman couldn't get a mortgage. That was Christian America. These people want to turn back the clock before that change happened.

All of that is bad. But it's not as bad as literally keeping women as chattel denied education and not allowed to exist as independent entities.

The 1950s housewife is not as bad as the 2020s afghani property:

Hey look, a lower bar over there! Also, I don't think you understand what returning to being a 1950's woman actually entails if you think it wasn't a second class status for women... even when allowed to vote. Oh, but it is better than living under the Taliban. FFS!

I can object to both.

You can, but you really don't.

But if you think that the first is as bad as, or even approaching parity with, the second... I think you're blinded by your male privilege.

You know I haven't ever said that, or remotely implied it. So, what was your point? That losing access to birth control will be okay as long as Muslims aren't the reason?

 

[Emily Lake]

No, I want you to focus on the ravenous rats under our bed instead of the rabid wolf circling the camp across the ocean. Which, by the way, has absolutely effing nothing to do with my or your gender.

I agree it has nothing to do with gender, but it has a whole lot to do with sex.

Do you think the impact to men is the same as to women in islamic-dominant societies?

 

[laughing dog]

No, I want you to focus on the ravenous rats under our bed instead of the rabid wolf circling the camp across the ocean. Which, by the way, has absolutely effing nothing to do with my or your gender.

I agree it has nothing to do with gender, but it has a whole lot to do with sex.

Not from my POV.

Do you think the impact to men is the same as to women in islamic-dominant societies?

No. But the probability of the US becoming an Islamic society is magnitudes less than becoming a facsimile of Gilead from the Handmaid’s Tale.

Like it or not, we cannot do much to alleviate the lot of anyone living in any foreign retrograde society except to provide an aspirational example or to successfully conquer them via physical force. Right now, Trump is tarnishing that example and conquering is off the table.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Islam exists also, and what that religion wants is something I oppose. They also exist throughout the world, and they control several governments. In those governments they have stripped women of basic rights within our lifetime - no right to vote, or to be educated, or to own property, or even to leave the house without a male escort, being required to cover themselves entirely. That's an entirely different order of risk, and if it gains a foothold, it's something that women lose the ability to fight against in a meaningful way.

The risk of islam is greater. And it's growing.

Are all Muslim-controlled countries like that (my bold in your quote)? Because if not then maybe it isn’t all due to Islam.