Trump Will Likely Win

[bilby]

They seem to have little problem against unarmed individuals when they feel scared of a mentally disturbed person or someone with a knife or someone reaching for their registration.

Police are human. They make mistakes. That said, instances of "someone reaching for their registration" or similar getting shot are very rare. Armed and/or mentally disturbed people can be dangerous, however, so I do not see why you are lumping these two very different scenarios together.

And almost all such situations can be avoided by not being confrontational and not doing sudden moves. You get trouble when you force an officer to make a split second decision about what he's seeing.

So basically you need to treat cops like you would treat dangerous predators?

If your neigbourhood were crawling with mountain lions, you would probably be well served to try to remove them to a place where they have less interaction with humans.

It astonishes me that you can say shit like this and not grasp that you are describing a police force that neither serves nor protects the wider public.

The public should not have to fear the police; The entire point of having police is to reduce public fears of becoming a victim.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They seem to have little problem against unarmed individuals when they feel scared of a mentally disturbed person or someone with a knife or someone reaching for their registration.

Police are human. They make mistakes. That said, instances of "someone reaching for their registration" or similar getting shot are very rare. Armed and/or mentally disturbed people can be dangerous, however, so I do not see why you are lumping these two very different scenarios together.

And almost all such situations can be avoided by not being confrontational and not doing sudden moves. You get trouble when you force an officer to make a split second decision about what he's seeing.

So basically you need to treat cops like you would treat dangerous predators?

If your neigbourhood were crawling with mountain lions, you would probably be well served to try to remove them to a place where they have less interaction with humans.

It astonishes me that you can say shit like this and not grasp that you are describing a police force that neither serves nor protects the wider public.

The public should not have to fear the police; The entire point of having police is to reduce public fears of becoming a victim.

Predators? In general the most dangerous animals are the large herbivores. When dealing with wildlife the default reaction is to consider us to be a large predator. Everything out there will normally react that way. The mountain lion will look at an adult and decide that while they could win it might not be a flawless victory--and kitty really doesn't want to get hurt getting his meal so he's not in shape to get the next one. If the herbivore assesses the situation as no escape they are liable to attack even against something they regard as superior to them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Looking at Derec’s comparisons it seems that pleading guilty leads to substantially less strict outcomes than being convicted by a jury.

To be expected. If you would fare as badly in a plea deal as with a jury why would you take the plea?

So, it would seem a bad comparison between the outcomes of two cases in which one defendant pled guilty and took a deal and the pled innocent and took it to trial and was found guilty. Right?

Yup. Expect to see a fair discrepancy in sentencing.

 

[bilby]

They seem to have little problem against unarmed individuals when they feel scared of a mentally disturbed person or someone with a knife or someone reaching for their registration.

Police are human. They make mistakes. That said, instances of "someone reaching for their registration" or similar getting shot are very rare. Armed and/or mentally disturbed people can be dangerous, however, so I do not see why you are lumping these two very different scenarios together.

And almost all such situations can be avoided by not being confrontational and not doing sudden moves. You get trouble when you force an officer to make a split second decision about what he's seeing.

So basically you need to treat cops like you would treat dangerous predators?

If your neigbourhood were crawling with mountain lions, you would probably be well served to try to remove them to a place where they have less interaction with humans.

It astonishes me that you can say shit like this and not grasp that you are describing a police force that neither serves nor protects the wider public.

The public should not have to fear the police; The entire point of having police is to reduce public fears of becoming a victim.

Predators? In general the most dangerous animals are the large herbivores. When dealing with wildlife the default reaction is to consider us to be a large predator. Everything out there will normally react that way. The mountain lion will look at an adult and decide that while they could win it might not be a flawless victory--and kitty really doesn't want to get hurt getting his meal so he's not in shape to get the next one. If the herbivore assesses the situation as no escape they are liable to attack even against something they regard as superior to them.

Glad to see that you understood my point, and didn't let it sail over your head at stratospheric altitude.