Trump Will Likely Win

[Loren Pechtel]

Most of the doom and gloom is the same as 2016...and none of it happened then. He threatens the machine and it will thrash when he wins even more than when he campaigns. There should be enough to criticize him on facts, but the lies just get more and more outrageous. The country will be just fine.

Have you read Project 2025? Even a summary?

The country will not be fine. We just voted in fascist theocracy. When you vote in fascism you don't get to vote it back out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most of the doom and gloom is the same as 2016...and none of it happened then.

Well, no wall, no infrastructure bill, no replacement of ACA, no repeal of ACA.

Oh you meant the issues of destabilizing our democracy. Like what he did and had people chanting to murder the Vice President after the US electorate fired him. Yeah, I can see the "both sides" there.

His handlers will know better than to have another election.

 

[scombrid]

Right up till the last minute Trump was airing ads claiming that Imane was a man beating up women and that it was the liberals' doing. My wife even got spam texts about trans athletes in sports with Trump as the only savior. Fortunately she was able to refrain from clutching her pearls.

I wonder why support for women's rights stops when men want to participate in women's sports, use the women's rest rooms and get sent to women's prisons.

I rarely agree with Tswizzle.

But he's got a point here that I am usually castigated for making.

Why do women's rights and feelings and opinions get dumped in the trash when they want to keep men out of certain small spaces and it's not considered "woke" or "politically correct" to have another opinion or feelings?
Tom

So keep the men out and quit lying about Imane

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Most of the doom and gloom is the same as 2016...and none of it happened then.

What are you talking about? What is "it"? He absolutely did attempt coup, he absolutely did put shills on the Supreme Court and "industry leaders" in every cabinet post. Racial and social relations badly deteriorated during his reign, and remain unrepaired. His brash actions in Israel have erupted into mass violence on catastrophic scale. How much worse do things have to get before you concede that "it" has happened? Nazi youth marching on the Capitol lawn?

I don't think The Felon had anything to do with the mess in Israel.

That's been a long time coming and the US couldn't have changed it other than by taking down Iran.

 

[ZiprHead]

Most of the doom and gloom is the same as 2016...and none of it happened then. He threatens the machine and it will thrash when he wins even more than when he campaigns. There should be enough to criticize him on facts, but the lies just get more and more outrageous. The country will be just fine.

Have you read Project 2025? Even a summary?

The country will not be fine. We just voted in fascist theocracy. When you vote in fascism you don't get to vote it back out.

You are also no longer a citizen, you are a subject.

And Trump won't make the same mistake he made in '16. Then he took on fairly mainstream Republicans for his cabinet. They kept most of his actions sane. This time he will hire true believers.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Should make for some interesting confirmation hearings.

 

[ZiprHead]

Should make for some interesting confirmation hearings.

Doesn't matter how crazy the appointees are. Republicans control the senate and will pass them with glee.

 

[bilby]

I don't think The Felon had anything to do with the mess in Israel.

True. That was engineered by Putin to distract the US from Ukraine.

Worked, too.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Should make for some interesting confirmation hearings.

Doesn't matter how crazy the appointees are. Republicans control the senate and will pass them with glee.

Sure, but they still get questioned by Democrats publicly. Not saying they won’t get confirmed.

 

[ZiprHead]

Should make for some interesting confirmation hearings.

Doesn't matter how crazy the appointees are. Republicans control the senate and will pass them with glee.

Sure, but they still get questioned by Democrats publicly. Not saying they won’t get confirmed.

Also note that lying to Congress during confirmation hearings are AOK now.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Should make for some interesting confirmation hearings.

Doesn't matter how crazy the appointees are. Republicans control the senate and will pass them with glee.

Sure, but they still get questioned by Democrats publicly. Not saying they won’t get confirmed.

Also note that lying to Congress during confirmation hearings are AOK now.

At least by Republicans.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Most of the doom and gloom is the same as 2016...and none of it happened then.

Well, no wall, no infrastructure bill, no replacement of ACA, no repeal of ACA.

Oh you meant the issues of destabilizing our democracy. Like what he did and had people chanting to murder the Vice President after the US electorate fired him. Yeah, I can see the "both sides" there.

His handlers will know better than to have another election.

As I had noted before, the worst thing about a Trump election in 2024 isn't the Trump part, it is the part about America CHOOSING Trump. Sometimes, they worst authoritarian nations are the ones where a majority of the public support it. This is tyranny of the minority, with the support of the majority.

I feel for gays. if Trump replaces Alito and Thomas, Obergefelll is as good as gone. But first, maybe Birth Control.

 

[Elixir]

This is tyranny of the minority, with the support of the majority

Very much á la 1930s Germany.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Just the number and size of the detention camps necessary for the deportations is mind-boggling. The Christian Nationalist police state, headed by a 78-year-old toddler who must, must be constantly praised.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Just the number and size of the detention camps necessary for the deportations is mind-boggling. The Christian Nationalist police state, headed by a 78-year-old toddler who must, must be constantly praised.

How much will it cost? How many new employees will it take? How will they get Congress to approve the funds? Or will he just shift current military funds like he did with his wall, which I guess he can now finish building.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think The Felon had anything to do with the mess in Israel.

True. That was engineered by Putin to distract the US from Ukraine.

Worked, too.

Actually, I think it was a long term plan from Iran that Russia joined in on.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just the number and size of the detention camps necessary for the deportations is mind-boggling. The Christian Nationalist police state, headed by a 78-year-old toddler who must, must be constantly praised.

How much will it cost? How many new employees will it take? How will they get Congress to approve the funds? Or will he just shift current military funds like he did with his wall, which I guess he can now finish building.

Why would it be expensive?

"Leave or go to jail."

And they're talking about denaturalization. I'm worried for my wife--she's naturalized, he hates China. China does not permit dual citizenship, the only citizenship she has is US.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Just the number and size of the detention camps necessary for the deportations is mind-boggling. The Christian Nationalist police state, headed by a 78-year-old toddler who must, must be constantly praised.

How much will it cost? How many new employees will it take? How will they get Congress to approve the funds? Or will he just shift current military funds like he did with his wall, which I guess he can now finish building.

Why would it be expensive?

Are there preexisting detention camps we can fill? Or would they need to be built? Or facilities taken from other uses that would then have to be replaced? All government programs cost money and personnel resources.

"Leave or go to jail."

That’s all they have to do is say “leave”?

He said it was going to be the largest deportation program in history. That’s going to take some effort.

And they're talking about denaturalization. I'm worried for my wife--she's naturalized, he hates China. China does not permit dual citizenship, the only citizenship she has is US.

How exactly would denaturalization work? My wife is also a naturalized citizen so I’m curious what you think would happen.

 

[SLD]

Just the number and size of the detention camps necessary for the deportations is mind-boggling. The Christian Nationalist police state, headed by a 78-year-old toddler who must, must be constantly praised.

How much will it cost? How many new employees will it take? How will they get Congress to approve the funds? Or will he just shift current military funds like he did with his wall, which I guess he can now finish building.

Why would it be expensive?

Are there preexisting detention camps we can fill? Or would they need to be built? Or facilities taken from other uses that would then have to be replaced? All government programs cost money and personnel resources.

"Leave or go to jail."

That’s all they have to do is say “leave”?

He said it was going to be the largest deportation program in history. That’s going to take some effort.

And they're talking about denaturalization. I'm worried for my wife--she's naturalized, he hates China. China does not permit dual citizenship, the only citizenship she has is US.

How exactly would denaturalization work? My wife is also a naturalized citizen so I’m curious what you think would happen.

Legally and constitutionally it technically can’t be done. But the question remains whether SCOTUS’s immunity ruling will allow him to ignore the law and constitution. Will he simply decree you to no longer be a U.S. citizen, unless of course you support him? He just throws you out? You wake up on the other side of the border with Mexico without a passport? Can he do that to natural born citizens?

Who would do this? I suppose he would just hire a bunch of MAGA fucktards.

I truly fear for our future.

And if this kind of thing does start to happen, we must resist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Leave or go to jail."

That’s all they have to do is say “leave”?

He said it was going to be the largest deportation program in history. That’s going to take some effort.

And they're talking about denaturalization. I'm worried for my wife--she's naturalized, he hates China. China does not permit dual citizenship, the only citizenship she has is US.

How exactly would denaturalization work? My wife is also a naturalized citizen so I’m curious what you think would happen.

Legally and constitutionally it technically can’t be done. But the question remains whether SCOTUS’s immunity ruling will allow him to ignore the law and constitution. Will he simply decree you to no longer be a U.S. citizen, unless of course you support him? He just throws you out? You wake up on the other side of the border with Mexico without a passport? Can he do that to natural born citizens?

The bigger problem with deportation is you have to deport them somewhere. Other nations aren't going to be cool with this! They'll stop letting planes even touch the tarmac.