Were Russia and US ever allies? (Split from How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?)

[barbos]

Much like the killers in Bucha were given commendations by Putin

No, they were not, Putin did not give any commendations to ukrainains who did that.
(WW1 munition according to ...... UN investigators)

 

[barbos]

No, I have a knack of doubting Russian propaganda

Really?
Who is shelling Zaporozh'e Nuclear Plant?

 

[barbos]

Most German people in late 1930s also though Hitler was the bees knees, and they weren't any dumberer than you or I

Actually, most german people in late 1930s or now for that matter were/are much dumber than me. That's just a statistical fact.
And it's not a fair comparison anyway with me having 1Gbit internet link to all that shit people take with their cellphones, whereas average german from 1930s had nazi controlled radio-papers only.

 

[barbos]

(According to wikipedia, Kalibr length "varies on variant, from 6.2 m to 8.9 m".)

Do you know how much it costs?

And do you know any confirmed case of russians wasting Kalibr on something which has zero military significance? I know it was believable (to some ukrainians) at the time. But having knowledge of 6 months of russian tactics one has to conclude that it was clearly a fake. And again, video is 100% fake no matter what.

 

[barbos]

No, I have a knack of doubting Russian propaganda

Really?
Who is shelling Zaporozh'e Nuclear Plant?

Check and mate, check and mate my Finnish friend

 

[Elixir]

Most German people in late 1930s also though Hitler was the bees knees, and they weren't any dumberer than you or I.

Gee whiz Jayjay, you seem to have freaked out pet Putinista right out. Another wall of BS that nobody will read … always a true “tell”.

 

[bilby]

The US were planning to use defeated Germany and their nazis to start a war with USSR right after the end of WW2. Optics would have been horrible and they cancelled these plans. Waited 70 years and used ukrainian nazis to revive old plans.

This is the central problem in the world today. Russians have always been suspicious of the west and have always believed that we're going to invade their country. It's sad. I hate to tell you this Barbos: but we don't want Russia. Having your gas would be nice for a couple years. But in the long term, we don't need it. Vodka is overrated. Why do you think the west wants to invade Russia? What would we gain?

Same thing we wanted in 1919 and 1945 - to end the soviet communist system.

Oh, wait.

Shit.

 

[barbos]

Same thing we wanted in 1919 and 1945 - to end the soviet communist system.

And in 1941 for that matter. Yes, Hitler wanted to end the soviet communist system and he was one of your guys, he just went berserk and attacked you first.
Cold War was about the same thing. So it seems Russia has been at war with the West for the last 100 years non stop. Explain why should Russia trust you?

 

[pood]

So really you are saying that there is no compromise with Ukraine unless it is destroyed.

Fuck! I told you already, there was one, and you (the west, not Ukraine) fucking rejected it. And you rejected it because your goal (from the get-go) have been to continue this attack on Russia. Nobody cares about stupid idiots in Ukraine. Your fucking generals flat out admit that on TV, it's all about hurting Russia. Do you even watch your own TV with your own assholes in it?

Getting a little testy, are we, as you watch your shit hole of a nation folding like a cheap tent before the brave Ukrainians, who were an independent nation while Moscow was a backwater trading post with a population of a few hundred?

 

[Elixir]

Explain why should Russia trust you?

Because not trusting anyone has worked so well for them so far, right?

My own criticism of America revolves around our near continuous involvement in military and quasi military engagements. But compared to Russia, we are virtual peaceniks.
Russia has been attacking anyone it thinks they can beat, including its own neighbors, for CENTURIES, virtually without pause. And 100% without success.
One might conclude that they’re insanely bellicose, or just plain stupid.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know the video, no problem. Happened in the hot phase in 2014. Shit like that happens in the war,

You know nothing. Ukro-scam deliberately targeted civilians and your media said nothing. As far as I am concerned, that event alone justifies immediate full scale invasion and overthrow of their "government"

Russia has done far worse. So is Ukraine entitled to a full-scale invasion of Russia, if they had the ability?

According to your media, yes.
the same media who released that chemical attack video.

No, Russia has never done worse. Not even in Chechnya.
They never deliberately and openly targeted civilians.

Actually Russia has, just typically to its own people.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Same thing we wanted in 1919 and 1945 - to end the soviet communist system.

And in 1941 for that matter. Yes, Hitler wanted to end the soviet communist system and he was one of your guys, he just went berserk and attacked you first.
Cold War was about the same thing. So it seems Russia has been at war with the West for the last 100 years non stop. Explain why should Russia trust you?

Russia was at war with the west for a few centuries. The last 40 years, not really. In fact, Russia has been relatively unimportant when it comes to geopolitics. It was surpassed by China who actually has an economy of significance. If Russia didn't have oil and gas, it'd be a larger, fatter Mongolia.

 

[pood]

Same thing we wanted in 1919 and 1945 - to end the soviet communist system.

And in 1941 for that matter. Yes, Hitler wanted to end the soviet communist system and he was one of your guys, he just went berserk and attacked you first.
Cold War was about the same thing. So it seems Russia has been at war with the West for the last 100 years non stop. Explain why should Russia trust you?

Russia was at war with the west for a few centuries. The last 40 years, not really. In fact, Russia has been relatively unimportant when it comes to geopolitics. It was surpassed by China who actually has an economy of significance. If Russia didn't have oil and gas, it'd be a larger, fatter Mongolia.

If the world can successfully transition away from fossil fuels, Russia will indeed be a fat, larger Mongolia. And that comparison is intended as no disrespect to Mongola, which to its credit has not been trying to conquor the world since the days of the Golden Horde.

 

[laughing dog]

Most German people in late 1930s also though Hitler was the bees knees, and they weren't any dumberer than you or I

Actually, most german people in late 1930s or now for that matter were/are much dumber than me. That's just a statistical fact.

You need to produce actual data to support your claim because without statistics, it is not a statistical fact.

 

[Patooka]

Holy fucking shit. 40 posts by Barbos in one day and not a single one of them backed up by any facts. That is Trump level delusion right there.

But I do find it adorable that he believes Boris Johnson has/had any say of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. By that logic I'm not sure why he hasn't condemned warmonger Jacinta Ardern for purposefully dragging out this conflict.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is like the Russian apologist response to Mariupol theater or maternity ward strikes:

For fuck's sake. Stop believing shitty ukro-nazi propaganda.
Your own UN observers admitted that ukro-nazi were using civilians for cover.
Do you fucking understand what it means?
Do you?

Do you not understand that the Ukrainian troops dug in where they expected the attack to come? Thus they expected the Russians to attack civilian areas--like they usually do.

What's next? You will believe that russians are shelling their own Nuclear Plant?
After US half-halfheartedly admitted it was ukrainian forces (NATO really)?

No Russian nuclear plant has been attacked in any fashion--calling it a Russian plant doesn't make it so. A Ukrainian nuclear plant has been hit a few times, probably by bad aim or malfunction rather than deliberate attack.

 

[Jarhyn]

This is like the Russian apologist response to Mariupol theater or maternity ward strikes:

For fuck's sake. Stop believing shitty ukro-nazi propaganda.
Your own UN observers admitted that ukro-nazi were using civilians for cover.
Do you fucking understand what it means?
Do you?

Do you not understand that the Ukrainian troops dug in where they expected the attack to come? Thus they expected the Russians to attack civilian areas--like they usually do.

What's next? You will believe that russians are shelling their own Nuclear Plant?
After US half-halfheartedly admitted it was ukrainian forces (NATO really)?

No Russian nuclear plant has been attacked in any fashion--calling it a Russian plant doesn't make it so. A Ukrainian nuclear plant has been hit a few times, probably by bad aim or malfunction rather than deliberate attack.

But by ancient Russian rite of "Finders Keepers, I Have A Big Gun," it became a Russian nuclear power plant.

 

[bilby]

Same thing we wanted in 1919 and 1945 - to end the soviet communist system.

And in 1941 for that matter. Yes, Hitler wanted to end the soviet communist system and he was one of your guys, he just went berserk and attacked you first.
Cold War was about the same thing. So it seems Russia has been at war with the West for the last 100 years non stop. Explain why should Russia trust you?

Because you ditched Communism?

I mean, that's been the point of contention, and it's gone. So why would the west attack Russia now? There's no reason.

 

[Tigers!]

So really you are saying that there is no compromise with Ukraine unless it is destroyed.

Fuck! I told you already, there was one, and you (the west, not Ukraine) fucking rejected it. And you rejected it because your goal was to continue this attack on Russia from the start. Nobody cares about stupid idiots in Ukraine. Your fucking generals flat out admit that on TV, it's all about hurting Russia. Do you even watch your own TV with your own assholes in it?

If your side would simply remove your troops from Ukranian lands, the war would be over. Period, end of story.

No it would not be over. Because nazi regime you installed would continue (under your orders) terrorizing their pro-russian population.
The whole thing started with orders from Washington and London in 2014.

War will end when your side leaves Ukraine.
Again, piece of shit Elensky was ready to accept russian proposal but his Superiors ordered him not to.

Who is this Elensky?

 

[fromderinside]

Show me where Putin, or Lavrov, or Peskov, or any other Kremlin stooge is saying that Russia will withdraw from Ukraine if Ukraine agrees not to join NATO?

Russian proposal did not include any withdraw.
Your ignorance is fucking annoying.
It's your Narco the Clown who demands surrender now.

Russian proposal included independence of DNR/LNR and neutral status for remaining Ukraine. These parts were not negotiable. The rest was.

WTF: One country demanding another country declare neutrality isn't meddling in the other country's policy? IOW "We won't destroy you if you give us your pledge you won't resist our occupation takeover of large parts of your country."