January 6 Hearings Live

[ZiprHead]

Many of these post belong in the Jan 6th Hearings in the politics forum. Locking for cleanup.

 

[ZiprHead]

Clean up complete. Thread reopened.

 

[Gun Nut]

I don't believe that Trump is crazy. He's evil and would be just like Putin if he could acquire the power.

He is as "crazy" as a 3 year old that has a temper tantrum over the flavor of lollipop to the point that they lose that very lollipop while crying about it not being their first choice.
He is mentally deficient in that he has a malfunctioning superego with no emotional awareness or impulse control. A child-bully.

 

[jab]

I missed the Ivanka Trump testimony last night. I saw it today. I thought for sure she was about to breakout in the song Let It Go. She looked like a computer animation.

Yes she did look like that: slightly ghostly, slightly mechanical, preternaturally beautiful

 

[Jarhyn]

I missed the Ivanka Trump testimony last night. I saw it today. I thought for sure she was about to breakout in the song Let It Go. She looked like a computer animation.

Yes she did look like that: slightly ghostly, slightly mechanical, preternaturally beautiful

That sounds more like an Anne Rice novel (before she went dumb) than a Disney production...

 

[jab]

Throwing insults is part of the overall problem.

Nope. Not even remotely. And if I wanted to say something insulting with regards to Trump I'd say something like "Grown Up Joffrey" or "Incest Porn Star Wannabee". Trump being given sycophantic praise and being treated with respect he never ever earned is the sole problem. Me calling him a cunt doesn't change the landscape one single bit.

Why this tangent on vaginas and landscaping?
Are you trying to say that if Donald had been born a cis woman who wouldn't even have been able to get work as a landscaper for one of his golfcourses/ resorts? And how is this relevant to the January 6 hearings? Are you trying to say that a nee "Donalda" Trump would never have had the life arc or the right-wing appeal been able to win the American presidency in 2016, and so Jan. 6 2021 wouldn't have happened? And so the current hearings wold be moot.
If so, I kind of agree with you. As Virginia Woolf commented over 90 years when observing a Manx cat while pondering inequities between men and women, it's amazing the difference a tail makes.
And by the way, Donald Trump is a really right real prick, and proud of it.

 

[Angry Floof]

The Loudermilk video.


I was informed the first guy in the video with the "flag pole" is acrually carrying a bang stick. It's used on sharks or alligators before you pull them into the boat, basically a shotgun shell that goes off when poked into the animal.

Frankly I see little difference between these guys and the guy that wanted to kill SCJ Kavenaugh.

Really? The guy who was arrested for threats against Kavanaugh called police to tell them that he wanted to Jill himself and to kill Kavanaugh. He’s clearly mentally I’ll but not so far gone as to not realize what he was doing was wrong—he called the police. I hope he gets the help he needs.

The capitol krew, on the other hand, are disaffected, dissatisfied and easily duped idiots who belong to a cult and were willing to assassinate the VP and possibly several members of Congress to ingratiate themselves to their dear leader, who regarded them as less than dirt beneath their feet. Certainly a degree of mental illness is surely involved but they did try to overturn an election and the nation.

Even if I liked or respected Kavanaugh, there’s a huge difference in intent and scale and scope.

I agree; It’s one thing to act against the people who have power in your system of government, but quite another to act against the system of government itself.

Killing the President (or even a Supreme Court Justice) doesn’t change much; The system has protocols in place to handle assassinations, accidents, acts of war, etc., etc., and the vacancies are re-filled accordingly. It sucks for the victim’s family and friends, but the system is bigger than any of its office holders.

Killing the system, (for example by simply rejecting the entire process by which a President is selected, and trying to impose a President who lost, in place of the one who won) is far more damaging to the country than killing the winner.

That’s why those whose role is to protect the nation swear to uphold the constitution, and don’t swear to obey the President.

Presidents come and go. The system, the constitution, is what makes the nation what it is. I am no great fan of the USA, but I am damn sure it’s better than whatever the Jan 6 insurrectionists want(ed) to replace it with.

I disagree that killing. President doesn’t change much—we’ve had a couple of assassinations that very likely altered the course of our history in very big ways. Which was the point. Not that the assassinations achieved the desired means, with the exception of Lincoln’s assassination. That dramatically harmed reconstruction and inflicted even more damage to the US leaving vestigages that continue today.

How Presidential Assassinations Changed U.S. Politics | HISTORY

www.history.com

It changed the course of events, but it didn't dismantle the system. The Government still existed and operated regardless of what other changes occurred. You can mangle something until it's almost unrecognizable, but mangling and destroying are different things.

 

[ZiprHead]

I missed the Ivanka Trump testimony last night. I saw it today. I thought for sure she was about to breakout in the song Let It Go. She looked like a computer animation.

Yes she did look like that: slightly ghostly, slightly mechanical, preternaturally beautiful

And then her dad accused her of perjury, in so many words. Such a nice guy...

 

[Angry Floof]

Ivanka looked gorgeous, as usual. She's a terrible human being and a stain on our history, but in her testimony recording, she looked even more beautiful than usual.

 

[ZiprHead]

I'll admit I find Ivanka quite attractive, and Lauren Boebert too. But I know they possess very black hearts. I have no desire to get anywhere near those two.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'll admit I find Ivanka quite attractive, and Lauren Boebert too. But I know they possess very black hearts. I have no desire to get anywhere near those two.

Yeah. What's inside is far more important than what's outside.

 

[bilby]

The Loudermilk video.


I was informed the first guy in the video with the "flag pole" is acrually carrying a bang stick. It's used on sharks or alligators before you pull them into the boat, basically a shotgun shell that goes off when poked into the animal.

Frankly I see little difference between these guys and the guy that wanted to kill SCJ Kavenaugh.

Really? The guy who was arrested for threats against Kavanaugh called police to tell them that he wanted to Jill himself and to kill Kavanaugh. He’s clearly mentally I’ll but not so far gone as to not realize what he was doing was wrong—he called the police. I hope he gets the help he needs.

The capitol krew, on the other hand, are disaffected, dissatisfied and easily duped idiots who belong to a cult and were willing to assassinate the VP and possibly several members of Congress to ingratiate themselves to their dear leader, who regarded them as less than dirt beneath their feet. Certainly a degree of mental illness is surely involved but they did try to overturn an election and the nation.

Even if I liked or respected Kavanaugh, there’s a huge difference in intent and scale and scope.

I agree; It’s one thing to act against the people who have power in your system of government, but quite another to act against the system of government itself.

Killing the President (or even a Supreme Court Justice) doesn’t change much; The system has protocols in place to handle assassinations, accidents, acts of war, etc., etc., and the vacancies are re-filled accordingly. It sucks for the victim’s family and friends, but the system is bigger than any of its office holders.

Killing the system, (for example by simply rejecting the entire process by which a President is selected, and trying to impose a President who lost, in place of the one who won) is far more damaging to the country than killing the winner.

That’s why those whose role is to protect the nation swear to uphold the constitution, and don’t swear to obey the President.

Presidents come and go. The system, the constitution, is what makes the nation what it is. I am no great fan of the USA, but I am damn sure it’s better than whatever the Jan 6 insurrectionists want(ed) to replace it with.

I disagree that killing. President doesn’t change much—we’ve had a couple of assassinations that very likely altered the course of our history in very big ways. Which was the point. Not that the assassinations achieved the desired means, with the exception of Lincoln’s assassination. That dramatically harmed reconstruction and inflicted even more damage to the US leaving vestigages that continue today.

How Presidential Assassinations Changed U.S. Politics | HISTORY

www.history.com

Sure, but there’s a big difference between cheating to win the game, and dynamiting the stadium so that nobody can ever play against you again.

 

[Toni]

The Loudermilk video.


I was informed the first guy in the video with the "flag pole" is acrually carrying a bang stick. It's used on sharks or alligators before you pull them into the boat, basically a shotgun shell that goes off when poked into the animal.

Frankly I see little difference between these guys and the guy that wanted to kill SCJ Kavenaugh.

Really? The guy who was arrested for threats against Kavanaugh called police to tell them that he wanted to Jill himself and to kill Kavanaugh. He’s clearly mentally I’ll but not so far gone as to not realize what he was doing was wrong—he called the police. I hope he gets the help he needs.

The capitol krew, on the other hand, are disaffected, dissatisfied and easily duped idiots who belong to a cult and were willing to assassinate the VP and possibly several members of Congress to ingratiate themselves to their dear leader, who regarded them as less than dirt beneath their feet. Certainly a degree of mental illness is surely involved but they did try to overturn an election and the nation.

Even if I liked or respected Kavanaugh, there’s a huge difference in intent and scale and scope.

I agree; It’s one thing to act against the people who have power in your system of government, but quite another to act against the system of government itself.

Killing the President (or even a Supreme Court Justice) doesn’t change much; The system has protocols in place to handle assassinations, accidents, acts of war, etc., etc., and the vacancies are re-filled accordingly. It sucks for the victim’s family and friends, but the system is bigger than any of its office holders.

Killing the system, (for example by simply rejecting the entire process by which a President is selected, and trying to impose a President who lost, in place of the one who won) is far more damaging to the country than killing the winner.

That’s why those whose role is to protect the nation swear to uphold the constitution, and don’t swear to obey the President.

Presidents come and go. The system, the constitution, is what makes the nation what it is. I am no great fan of the USA, but I am damn sure it’s better than whatever the Jan 6 insurrectionists want(ed) to replace it with.

I disagree that killing. President doesn’t change much—we’ve had a couple of assassinations that very likely altered the course of our history in very big ways. Which was the point. Not that the assassinations achieved the desired means, with the exception of Lincoln’s assassination. That dramatically harmed reconstruction and inflicted even more damage to the US leaving vestigages that continue today.

How Presidential Assassinations Changed U.S. Politics | HISTORY

www.history.com

Sure, but there’s a big difference between cheating to win the game, and dynamiting the stadium so that nobody can ever play against you again.

Sure, but killing a sitting POTUS is actually an attempt to disrupt more than the presidency. Exceptions, of course, for the madmen who have done it, with no apparent political motive.

 

[Swammerdami]

I don't have the patience to watch the unabridged hearings. But I catch some excerpts or synopses on YouTube, like this one. This video really sums up the character of the T***p Administration.

Wow! Recall Jared Kushner, the low-IQ guy whose father is a slumlord like F⁠uckface von Clownstick and went to prison. Jared married Princess `Daddy-wants-to-Fuck-me' Ivanka and, despite his moron-level IQ was given charge of (a) Peace in the Middle East, (b) Climate change, (c) the Covid pandemic, (d) Reinventing government, (e) the Budget, and more.

Anyway, the Committee asked Jared about his conversations with W.H. lawyers who were threatening to resign if President von Clownstick continued to break the law. Jared's answer? He thought they were just "whining" and was "too busy" to take their phone calls anyway. Busy? Was he working on the pandemic? Peace in the Middle East? Reinventing government? Nope. He was feverishly "trying to get as many pardons done as possible."

I'm not on the Committee. My follow-on question would have been "Is it true that the going rate was $250,000 a pop? Did you offer a discount for families that needed TWO criminals pardoned?"

 

[Elixir]

Ivanka looked gorgeous, as usual. She's a terrible human being and a stain on our history, but in her testimony recording, she looked even more beautiful than usual.

… in an unusually creepy way

 

[lpetrich]

This is what Trump is looking to do if he ever has the chance:

Trump tells "Faith & Freedom conference" he'd "be looking" at Pardons for 800+ Capitol Rioters

Addressing what is arguably the most authoritarian friendly demographic in the country, ‘Christian’ Nationalists, Trump spoke in fond terms about the Capitol rioters, then declared “I will be looking them very, very seriously for pardons, very, very seriously”. Yes pardons for his easily deluded thugs who violently attacked the Capitol at his urging, to stage a coup, and destroy our Constitutional Republic. All in favor of installing Trump as Dictator for Life. No doubt his adoring audience would welcome such a prospect.

noting
Aaron Rupar on Twitter: "Trump indicates he will pardon the January 6 defendants if he becomes POTUS again (vid link)" / Twitter

D Villella on Twitter: "@atrupar But, it's "the left" who doesn't understand right from wrong? (link)" / Twitter
noting
Ron Filipkowski on Twitter: "Trump says for people on the Left, politics “has warped their sense of right and wrong. They don’t have a sense of right and wrong.” (vid link)" / Twitter

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

So far today, the testimony has been "is there anyone up in here other than Trump and Eastman who thinks the VP can reject the electors?"


Answer: "No."


Trump camp: "But seriously, can he do this?"


"No. Actually, no."


Trump camp: "No, but really...can't he just throw the election for Trump?"


"I don't know if you heard me the first time, but no. In fact, hell no."


Trump camp: "Listen, I'm just saying..."


"Let me be clear: Fuck no."


Trump camp: "Great. So we'll go with demanding VP Pence reject the electors."


"Oh FFS."

Trump: "Just say there were irregularities in the voting and leave the rest to us". OK, if we cannot legallly overturn this electil we will do it ilegally. Yeah baby!

 

[lpetrich]

Ilhan Omar on Twitter: "“Proud Boys would have killed then-VP Pence, Speaker Pelosi, and other lawmakers if given the chance”
They got within 40 feet of Pence, before he hid in a garage bunker.
Let that sink in. (link)" / Twitter

Kyle Griffin on Twitter: "Rep. Jamie Raskin, a member of the Jan. 6 Committee, on CNN: "New evidence is breaking every single day now. Suddenly a lot of people want to tell the truth."" / Twitter
Good. I hope that they can get the bulk of such evidence before November, when the Democrats may lose the House.


AOC tears up on Instagram Live recounts Trump's 'attempted coup' January 6 Capitol riot hearing | Daily Mail Online

"Appearing visibly upset and angry as she laid blame with the Republican Party who she said 'have only committed hard to the lie' that event was not organized"

Like Republican congresspeople seeking pardons *before* the insurrection, knowing what they were about to do. She said that Trump was willing to look all the way down the hierarchy to a "coffee fetcher" to find someone who would support his coup effort.

She then noted that Trump didn't deliver on some of his promised pardons, meaning that some of his underlings are in jail for their coup efforts. She said that Trump "only cares about himself", implying that he was not worth following. Then noting Lauren Boebert live-tweeting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's location.

She then claimed that Congress had failed to pass legislation for insuring that coups like this one don't happen again.

She said about Republicans that they were the most truthful during the event and just after it, but that they later became more and more willing to whitewash that coup attempt and to defend it. She noted that 21 Republicans voted against awarding the Capitol cops a gold medal.

She described being warned on the day before that some big trouble was going to happen that day, like being warned to wear plain clothes. She then saw some of the rioters the day before the attacks, and said that it was a "myth" that they are "poor white working-class people". They arrived in private jets and they were staying at "bougie hotels" and they had resources.

The video itself is also at:
Video: AOC reacts to the testimony before the January 6th Committee | Daily Mail Online

Ryan Grim's summary:
Ryan Grim on Twitter: ".@AOC on instagram live now: "This was an attempted coup of the United States of America."
Notes Trump was going to fire everybody until he found a "coffee fetcher" who'd back his coup. "He sent his own people to jail...He will not save you."" / Twitter
then
Ryan Grim on Twitter: ""Let's dispense with this myth that these were poor white working class people. They were staying at bougie hotels. They were going to happy hour. They had resources."" / Twitter

CNN on Twitter: ""When you don't know which of your colleagues were part of a potential conspiracy, then we need to find out…"
Rep. @AOC tells @DanaBashCNN why she tweeted at GOP colleagues directly, asking if they requested pardons following the Capitol attack on January 6. @CNNSotu #CNNSOTU (vid link)" / Twitter

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Republicans, and Republicans only, tried to deny the Congressional Gold Medal to these officers. These were the members (1/2): (pic link)" / Twitter

Those GOP lawmakers included Reps. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Andy Harris (Md.), Lance Gooden (Tex.), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), Michael Cloud (Tex.), Andrew S. Clyde (Ga.), Greg Steube (Fla.), Bob Good (Va.) and John Rose (Tenn.).

then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "And here are the rest: (pic link)" / Twitter

But the number of opposing votes grew, with 10 other House Republicans switching their votes from "yes" to "no."

Those Republicans are Reps. Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Barry Moore (Ala.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Matthew M. Rosendale (Mont.), Chip Roy (Tex.), Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Scott Perry (Pa.), Jody Hice (Ga.) and Mary Miller (Ill.).

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Look at this footage. @laurenboebert was tweeting the Speaker’s location as this was all happening.

When I spoke of my fear of being raped again while locked in my office bathroom, @TuckerCarlson mocked it. So did Boebert. @NancyMace insinuated to her supporters it was a lie. (vid link)" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "I remember having a confrontation with Mace after what she did. I’m not even going to discuss it right now, but I will never forget that moment for the rest of my life." / Twitter


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "In the days and weeks after the attack, right-wingers tried to downplay what happened. They said it was small. They accused us of lying by saying the attack was “only” @ the dome.
No. They were everywhere. The screams were everywhere.
This is what American terrorism looks like. (vid link)" / Twitter
and
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Good Lord. The way it all comes rushing back into the body. It’s like it’s that day all over again. #January6thCommitteeHearings (vid link)" / Twitter
and
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Wow. This hearing. #January6thCommitteeHearings" / Twitter

 

[TLK Valentine]

JR wants to abolish the Electoral College because it involves some procedures that are vulnerable to sabotage, like the choosing of electors and the counting of votes. Sabotage like what some of Trump's supporters planned for 2021 January 6.

I want the electoral college removed because it's undemocratic.

The electoral college does have an advantage -- there's no need for a runoff election, and no way a losing candidate can demand a nationwide recount. Imagine the chaos if that wasn't the case!

I'd propose a compromise -- keep the electoral college, but require every state to split their electoral votes in the same way that Maine and Nebraska do, so that the electoral votes more closely reflect the popular vote.