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How was the election supposedly stolen?

Trump said that the election was stolen by Biden. Universally news sources and experts say, "no it wasn't".

But what I don't understand is Trump's arguments for this statement. Is there any? I've tried googling it. I can't find any coherent argument from Trump, or the Trump side. QAnon supporters repeat the statement. Again, no arguments. Just a repeated claim. Republicans trying to defend Trump, no arguments, just evasive bullshit clearly statements.

Can somebody tell me how Biden supposedly stole the election, according to Trump?

Is he talking about the postal votes? Which, again, was an argument I didn't understand. Because Republicans can also vote by mail. So I never understood what Trump had a problem with?

I do realize that Trump said a lot of things that he just pulled out of his ass, and there might not be an explanation to this. But he had a lot of supporters who agreed with him that the election was stolen. So there must surely be some argument, however flimsy, that convinced them? Right?

Senator Crawley was one of the worst offenders. He kept claiming that he had evidence, but couldn't produce it. When cornered, he claimed that his "evidence" was that there was an "abundance of allegations". It's crazy...

I recognise the form of this argument, "I believe in the Bible because it says in the Bible that the Bible is true. "
This aphorism gives too much credit to Trump supporters for supposing there is some trust in the truth, misplaced or not.

The "stolen election" is a lie and in private, it's acknowledged to be a lie. One thing Trump supporters do believe is it's not possible for Trump to win a free and fair election. They understand they are a minority and will always lose fair elections. This is why so much effort has gone into gerrymandering state election districts.

There is one consistency in all the MAGA lies. They are very careful not to name a person, or at least a living person. Crimes require a criminal, so the we are supplied with vague faceless figures who never step out of the shadows.

As Fox and others have discovered, if you name names, you better be ready to back it up with facts. One thing MAGA hates more than losing elections is losing money.
 
The latest news from the Georgia grand jury is encouraging. The stop the steal efforts will put and end to GOP election thievery in Georgia for awhile.
 
Well we're not waiting for grand jury recommendations here in AZ, but our new AG has released the rest of the information that her GOP predecessor buried regarding "election fraud." The results may leave you not entirely surprised. He released an "interim report" (in the run up to the 2022 election where fraud was once again being touted) that suggested there was something fishy going on.

Turns out, there wasn't!

Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Clint Hickman said he was “absolutely disgusted” that Brnovich wasn’t more forthright about what his investigators found.

“He and his leadership team concealed a report that proved the November 2020 election was conducted fairly, lawfully and accurately,” Hickman, a Republican, said in a statement.

“Not only did he ignore his own investigators in issuing a different, ‘interim report,’ he falsely suggested wrongdoing by Maricopa County, never correcting the record and blatantly never sharing the team’s final report with the public.”

But wait...there's more! One of the biggest election deniers (Mark Finchem) was running for Secretary of State, claiming that his opponent (Adrian Fontes, the County Recorder) participated in "stealing" the 2020 election. Survey says....

The document also says officials who publicly claimed to have evidence of voter fraud, including then-state Rep. Finchem, didn’t repeat their allegations when they were subject to laws about making false reports to law enforcement.

Agents said they talked to Finchem about his public claims of a source reporting more than 30,000 fraudulent votes in Pima County.

“During that meeting, Mr. Finchem did not repeat those allegations, specifically stating he did not have any evidence of fraud and he did not wish to take up our time,” the September summary says.

Finchem went on win the Republican nomination for secretary of state before losing handily to Fontes in the general election.

The thing I don't quite understand is how the former AG thought this information would stay buried...especially when it was his own staff that compiled the report.
 
The thing I don't quite understand is how the former AG thought this information would stay buried...especially when it was his own staff that compiled the report.
It has taken me a long time to come to grips with this question. The almost unbelievable truth is:
THEY DON’T CARE.
Catch them lying straight up like Finchem, and
THEY DON’T CARE. They still win the Republican nomination.
Republican politicians are, to greater and lesser degrees, simply their own versions of George Santos. Truth and facts are irrelevant. All that matters is the effect they can have on their credulous party members by saying x, y or z.
They don’t care if they’re lying, and they don’t care if they get caught lying. Getting caught has no effect on their rubes, so it doesn’t matter, period.
 
The thing I don't quite understand is how the former AG thought this information would stay buried...especially when it was his own staff that compiled the report.
MAGAtards don't think past their present feelings.

Actually, they don't think at all.
 
RV may have lost his mind. Seems to be arguing that the Trump administration intervened with Twitter on Biden’s behalf.
Next he might tell us how antifa tried to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 results.
Welcome to right wing Crazytown.
No, see...it's the FBI. The FBI is the guilty party, your honor. They're the "Deep State." Comey - that radical left liberal - was in charge of the FBI during the "Rusher Rusher Rusher" thing, which is why Trump fired him! Then there was those two FBI agents who had an affair! I mean, who cheats on their spouse? That's suss right there. Anyway, Trump fixed all of that when he was (still is?) President.

But then, something happened, because the FBI "went rogue" on January 20, 2021! Hunter Biden's laptop! Someone at the FBI (probably Agent Deep State) talked to someone at Twitter! Then the FBI unfairly raided Trump's house with guns drawn and broke into his stuff and took....totally empty folders! That they planted! It's all a giant conspiracy!
Comey's FBI actually interefered in the 2016 election re investigation of Lady Clinton to throw the election to Poppa of Baron Trump
 
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html

That's a lot of words when you could have just as easily said, "When I said there was proof the FBI interfered with Twitter to influence an election result I was completely full of shit."

I'm aware of Jim Jordan's "investigation". I am also aware how much of a dishonest seditionist piece of shit he is. And don't fucking cry about "The Twitter Files" being politicized. It was people like you and other bad faith actors who politicized it. Anyone with a shred of integrity would not take that crap seriously due to it's complete absence of names, dates and places. Here is what we actually know that has come from this bullshit debacle;

-Whilst both Biden and Trump approached Twitter to take down stories, Biden was the only one who made sure it was his campaign staff to do so. Trump deliberately took White House staff with other duties to perform this task. That might be legal, but it is certainly unethical and pretty reprehensible. I know exactly what you would say if the roles were reversed.

-The only time Biden's election team approached Twitter was to ask for unsolicited dick pics of Hunter Biden be taken down. This had fuck all to do with the election, were distributed without Hunter Biden's consent and as such were illegal. In fairness, Twitter really shouldn't have been needed to be told they need to be taken down.

-However, during the election, Trump asked numerous times for tweets to be taken down, not because they were illegal like revenge porn but because they said mean things about him. The most notable example is a tweet from someone named Chrissy Teigen for calling Trump a "pussy ass bitch". Which is actual suppression of free speech and a genuine violation of the First Amendment considering as we already know - Trump used Government staff to implement this

--Twitter deliberately ignored its own guideline in the lead up and during Jan6, supporting Trump and his Q-tard followers. This is corroborated by sworn testimony from former Twitter staffer Anika Collier Navaroli. Her testimony has weight because she was the senior most content moderator in Twitter.

-Navaroli then went on to testify that Twitter bent over backwards for years accommodating Trump despite numerous violations. Having said that, there was no need to listen to a senior Twitter manager testifying to know that. The evidence has been around that Twitter favoured Trump for years.

-This didn't come from the hearings but I know it's going to be brought up in a pathetic attempt of whataboutism, Twitter did ban the Hunter Biden laptop story for a whole 24 hours. Other news outlets that didn't run with it at all were FOX news, The Wall Street Journal and NewsMax. In fact, the only media outlet that reported on it was The New York Post and even they had doubts about the veracity of the story.

So instead of "proof" of a deep state conspiracy of Twitter working with the FBI to steal the election from Trump, there is documented evidence that Twitter gave preferential treatment to Trump, over and above literally anyone else on the planet. People are willing to testify to this in front of Congress. And the cunt still couldn't help himself colouring outside the lines.
You mean "the Count couldn't. . .", don't you?
 
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.
It's been over 2 weeks since this was posted. So when am I going to start seeing this evidence? I'm starting to get the impression that this is yet another bullshit accusation from the right and Jim Jordan is hoping no one will follow up on his baseless claims.
 
all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.
:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

I has been years, @RVonse .
Do you expect JFK Jr to show up and vindicate your silliness?
Or is "the evidence" all on Hunter's Laptop™?
Truth:
There is no evidence of a stolen election - zero, zip, nada, ZILCH. A dozen or so cheating Republicans is all the cheating anyone has found evidence for.

But there are MOUNTAINS of evidence that Donald Trump is a corrupt Russian shill who tried to dismantle American democracy and install himself as dictator for life - and that you are one of his stooges.
 
Gotta amend the above, having just reviewed this whole thread.
Kudos to @RVonse for being the only believer in the gospel of Donald who has dared show up in this thread.
Do you know what happened to the rest of them, RVonse? All those supposedly freedom-loving independent thinkers look pretty chicken shit next to you, sir.
 
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.
It's been over 2 weeks since this was posted. So when am I going to start seeing this evidence? I'm starting to get the impression that this is yet another bullshit accusation from the right and Jim Jordan is hoping no one will follow up on his baseless claims.

It's the same story as in this thread.

Evidence given by Rudy Giulianti of massive voter fraud in PA, Wi, MI, GA, VA, AZ, and NM states
 
Jesus fucking christ!

Donald Trump on Monday responded to Mike Pence’s contention that history will hold him accountable for the January 6 attack on Congress, saying the deadly attack was his former vice-president’s fault.

“Had he sent the votes back to the legislatures, they wouldn’t have had a problem with January 6, so in many ways you can blame him for January 6,” Trump told reporters on a flight to Iowa for a campaign appearance.

He was referring to his attempt to have Pence, in his role as Senate president, refuse to certify election results in battleground states, on grounds of supposed electoral fraud, thereby overturning Trump’s conclusive defeat by Joe Biden.

Trump added: “Had he sent them back to Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona … I believe, number one, you would have had a different outcome. But I also believe you wouldn’t have had ‘January 6’ as we call it.”

Nine deaths have been linked to the attack on Congress, including law enforcement suicides. The riot happened after Trump told supporters to “fight like hell”. More than a thousand rioters have been arrested, hundreds charged and many convicted, some with seditious conspiracy. Others remain wanted.
 
For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion.

Not proven. At all. Who was the supposed FBI agent who did this? Who did they talk to who works in Twitter? Who has testified about this one way or another? When did this supposed interference take place?

The Matt Taibi/Bari Weiss "Twitter Files" is such complete horseshit even FOX news and NewsMax stopped reporting about it.
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.(emphasis mine)

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html

So now it's been over a month. Colour me skeptical but I think this was just another pile of bullshit on ship. Turns out the FBI did nothing of the sort RVonse accused them of doing.
 
For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion.

Not proven. At all. Who was the supposed FBI agent who did this? Who did they talk to who works in Twitter? Who has testified about this one way or another? When did this supposed interference take place?

The Matt Taibi/Bari Weiss "Twitter Files" is such complete horseshit even FOX news and NewsMax stopped reporting about it.
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.(emphasis mine)

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html

So now it's been over a month. Colour me skeptical but I think this was just another pile of bullshit on ship. Turns out the FBI did nothing of the sort RVonse accused them of doing.
Taibi and the "Twitter Files" were eviscerated during the congressional hearings. They also showed Trump did far more to Twitter than the FBI did.
You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't.
 
For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion.

Not proven. At all. Who was the supposed FBI agent who did this? Who did they talk to who works in Twitter? Who has testified about this one way or another? When did this supposed interference take place?

The Matt Taibi/Bari Weiss "Twitter Files" is such complete horseshit even FOX news and NewsMax stopped reporting about it.
The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here:

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.(emphasis mine)

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html


So now it's been over a month. Colour me skeptical but I think this was just another pile of bullshit on ship. Turns out the FBI did nothing of the sort RVonse accused them of doing.

all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.
:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

I has been years, @RVonse .
Do you expect JFK Jr to show up and vindicate your silliness?
Or is "the evidence" all on Hunter's Laptop™?
Truth:
There is no evidence of a stolen election - zero, zip, nada, ZILCH. A dozen or so cheating Republicans is all the cheating anyone has found evidence for.

But there are MOUNTAINS of evidence that Donald Trump is a corrupt Russian shill who tried to dismantle American democracy and install himself as dictator for life - and that you are one of his stooges.
I would recommend you actually watch coming from the horses mouth, from time stamp 1:21 to 1:45 :

Rudy Guiliani certainly does have me convinced that he at least believes the election was indeed stolen. And he was in a position to actually know what happened during the election of Trump vs Biden.

Believe or not I'm not really interested in arguing for Trump or whether he gets elected again. It would suit me just fine if he would step aside and let someone younger and less divisive take the Republican nomination. That being said, I'm not at all convinced that US elections are honest at this point. I also continue not to believe that Bush really won against Gore during that close election either.

Our election process does need to be fixed so that close elections can be believed by everyone. And you and others laughing about this and not taking it seriously is a big part of the problem IMHO.
 

Our election process does need to be fixed so that close elections can be believed by everyone. And you and others laughing about this and not taking it seriously is a big part of the problem IMHO.
The problem is that we can no longer have a serious conversation about this because one side decided to devolve into telling copious lies about it. They have lost all credibility on the subject. Perhaps once they have redeemed themselves, if at all possible, then we can honestly work on it.
 
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