Breakdown In Civil Order

[Politesse]

No sooner do the "homeless" encampments get torn down, they pop up again;

It's almost as though tearing down encampments as they appear and arresting the people who live in them does jack shit to actually address the root causes of homelessness, so all of this police brutality is a monumental a waste of resources even if you aren't willing to ask questions about the ethics of govenment-sponsored theft and assualt.

(As would would seem motherfucking obvious to anyone who isn't a clueless Republican or a NIMBY city "liberal" high on technically legal anti-depressants.)

Unless I am mistaken, Karen Bass is a democrat. As is CA governor Gavin Newsom.

Yes, they are. And right now, they are Democrats who embrace the same totalitarian policies wrt homeless encampments that you do.

I'm not under any illusion that all Democrats are socialists, that's your game.

 

[TSwizzle]

No sooner do the "homeless" encampments get torn down, they pop up again;

It's almost as though tearing down encampments as they appear and arresting the people who live in them does jack shit to actually address the root causes of homelessness, so all of this police brutality is a monumental a waste of resources even if you aren't willing to ask questions about the ethics of govenment-sponsored theft and assualt.

(As would would seem motherfucking obvious to anyone who isn't a clueless Republican or a NIMBY city "liberal" high on technically legal anti-depressants.)

Unless I am mistaken, Karen Bass is a democrat. As is CA governor Gavin Newsom.

Yes, they are. And right now, they are Democrats who embrace the same totalitarian policies wrt homeless encampments that you do.

It's all very confusing. So Bass must be a NIMBY liberal and high? Makes sense I suppose.

 

[Politesse]

No sooner do the "homeless" encampments get torn down, they pop up again;

It's almost as though tearing down encampments as they appear and arresting the people who live in them does jack shit to actually address the root causes of homelessness, so all of this police brutality is a monumental a waste of resources even if you aren't willing to ask questions about the ethics of govenment-sponsored theft and assualt.

(As would would seem motherfucking obvious to anyone who isn't a clueless Republican or a NIMBY city "liberal" high on technically legal anti-depressants.)

Unless I am mistaken, Karen Bass is a democrat. As is CA governor Gavin Newsom.

Yes, they are. And right now, they are Democrats who embrace the same totalitarian policies wrt homeless encampments that you do.

It's all very confusing. So Bass must be a NIMBY liberal and high? Makes sense I suppose.

Bass is a politician.

 

[TSwizzle]

It's almost as though tearing down encampments as they appear and arresting the people who live in them does jack shit to actually address the root causes of homelessness, so all of this police brutality is a monumental a waste of resources even if you aren't willing to ask questions about the ethics of govenment-sponsored theft and assualt.

Anyway, as far as I can tell nobody is arrested from these clear outs and the police are seldom involved. Sponsored theft? It's filth that gets cleared away and what belongings of worth do you think "homeless" people actually posses? Most of their belongings consist of whatever they stole from elsewhere or picked up from the street.

 

[Politesse]

Anyway, as far as I can tell nobody is arrested from these clear outs and the police are seldom involved.

Then you know jack shit about them, as arrests are commonplace in "clean ups". They aren't usually there at first, they get called when conflict inevitably erupts between city workers and the people they are trying to "clean up". And sometimes they ARE there first, supposedly so they can check for drugs and illegal firearms. It's not surprising this is news to you, except... do you seriously not read the local news at all, just the Daily Mail and nothing else? Because there's a pretty big brouhaha brewing in your area right now over what was supposed to be a secret plan to arrest thousands of homeless people, but got leaked. The LAPD has denied all connection to the officer in question, of course. It's not, like, an obscure story, all the LA and some of the national papers are carrying it. https://www.latimes.com/california/...officer-email-hush-hush-plan-homeless-arrests

Nor is this new. There were only 34,000 or so homeless people in Los Angeles in 2017, but police somehow managed to make 14,000 misdemeanor arrests and 6,000 felony arrests of homeless people during the same year. https://esfandilawfirm.com/arrest-o...port from the Los,12 percent, with over 6,400.

It's filth that gets cleared away and what belongings of worth do you think "homeless" people actually posses?

Their property.

Most of their belongings consist of whatever they stole from elsewhere or picked up from the street.

If the police want to accuse me of stealing something, there's a correct legal process for making that accusation, and they will need to present evidence of that crime. They can't just arrest me and take my things because "people like me" are known to steal things.

 

[TSwizzle]

Anyway, as far as I can tell nobody is arrested from these clear outs and the police are seldom involved.

Then you know jack shit about them, as arrests are commonplace in "clean ups". They aren't usually there at first, they get called when conflict inevitably erupts between city workers and the people they are trying to "clean up".

Obviously violent "homeless" people or going to get arrested. But in general being "homeless" is not a crime and they do not get arrested. In fact, law enforcement is extremely lenient when dealing with "homeless".

And sometimes they ARE there first, supposedly so they can check for drugs and illegal firearms. It's not surprising this is news to you, except... do you seriously not read the local news at all, just the Daily Mail and nothing else? Because there's a pretty big brouhaha brewing in your area right now over what was supposed to be a secret plan to arrest thousands of homeless people, but got leaked. The LAPD has denied all connection to the officer in question, of course. It's not, like, an obscure story, all the LA and some of the national papers are carrying it. https://www.latimes.com/california/...officer-email-hush-hush-plan-homeless-arrests

The LA Times? LOL. It's behind a paywall and probably bullshit anyway.
https://www.latimes.com/california/...officer-email-hush-hush-plan-homeless-arrests

It's filth that gets cleared away and what belongings of worth do you think "homeless" people actually posses?

Their property.

Or someone else's. How do you think a "homeless" person accumulates five, six bicycles? Purchase them at Dick's with their CRV money?

Most of their belongings consist of whatever they stole from elsewhere or picked up from the street.

If the police want to accuse me of stealing something, there's a correct legal process for making that accusation, and they will need to present evidence of that crime. They can't just take my things because "people like me" are known to steal things.

The "things" are mostly trash and you know it.

 

[Politesse]

Oh my god you really do laugh at the concept of reading local news...

I'll never understand why conservatives living in liberal areas don't realize that giving the police blanket totalitarian powers over the lives of citizens is a strategy that could potentially backfire on them. Like, you know all your neighbors hate you just as much as you hate the homeless, right? No one's going to come rushing to your defense when the police abrogate your rights in exactly the same ways you cheered on when they were doing it to someone else. When it comes to police harassment, either all of us are safe, or none of us are.

 

[Elixir]

Or someone else's. How do you think a "homeless" person accumulates five, six bicycles? Purchase them at Dick's with their CRV money?

I have never seen a homeless person with six bicycles, and doubt that you have either.

The "things" are mostly trash and you know it.

I know that a treasure to a homeless person might be trash to me. That doesn’t give me the right to take it from them. Nor does it reduce their pain of loss when it is taken from them - it is worse than when someone swipes your Beemer out of your driveway, because your Beemer is insured.

 

[TSwizzle]

Oh my god you really do laugh at the concept of reading local news...

I laughed at the LA Times because it is shit.

I'll never understand why conservatives living in liberal areas don't realize that giving the police blanket totalitarian powers over the lives of citizens is a strategy that could potentially backfire on them.

ffs, Los Angeles is not a police state. LA was committed to reducing police and sheriffs after the BLM bullshit. Which they did, for a while. And let's not forget the "liberals" all screaming to have the non vaccinated arrested and fired from their jobs. I'm not the authoritarian here fella.

Like, you know all your neighbors hate you just as much as you hate the homeless, right?

I don't hate the homeless. I have not given my neighbors reason to hate me. My neighbors quite like me, I get invited to their house all the time. I look after their house when they are away on vacation etc.

No one's going to come rushing to your defense when the police abrogate your rights in exactly the same ways you cheered on when they were doing it to someone else.

You think pitching a tent on the sidewalk and defecating on the sidewalk is a right? Strange.

When it comes to police harassment, either all of us are safe, or none of us are.

So do away with the police?

 

[Gospel]

Instead of restricting cities from relocating homeless individuals, we should establish nationwide legislation to encourage collaboration among all states in addressing homelessness. By offering a range of options, we increase the likelihood of matching the specific needs and skillsets of the homeless population.

Not all homeless individuals are lazy or lacking valuable skills. Some may face barriers to finding employment or securing stable housing. The objective should be to mitigate homelessness rather than exacerbate it by funneling individuals into the prison system.

Our focus should be on implementing comprehensive measures that tackle the root causes of homelessness and provide support systems for individuals to regain stability and independence. This necessitates a comprehensive, multi-faceted approach that spans ALL 50 STATES, encompassing affordable housing, job training, mental health services, and social support networks.

 

[Politesse]

LA was committed to reducing police and sheriffs after the BLM bullshit.

You really don't follow the news, do you? Karen Bass campaigned on a pro-police platform, and since her election has been pushing both reform and expansion of the police service. Her predecessor, likewise. For the last three years, the LAPD has seen consistently steep increases in budget, now to the tune of 3 billion dollars a year, about a 6% increase over last year and amounting to more than a quarter of the civic budget. It is true that they are having trouble retaining officers, but not because the city itself does not wish to employ them. They have the money, but not the recruits.

 

[TSwizzle]

LA was committed to reducing police and sheriffs after the BLM bullshit. Which they did, for a while. {you left this part out for some reason}

You really don't follow the news, do you? Karen Bass campaigned on a pro-police platform, and since her election has been pushing both reform and expansion of the police service. Her predecessor, likewise. For the last three years, the LAPD has seen consistently steep increases in budget, now to the tune of 3 billion dollars a year, about a 6% increase over last year and amounting to more than a quarter of the civic budget. It is true that they are having trouble retaining officers, but not because the city itself does not wish to employ them. They have the money, but not the recruits.

I remember mayor Garcetti agreeing to a reduction in police funding and I know LA sheriff Villanueva was getting staff cuts. On the Westside a lot of sheriffs were replaced by "security ambassadors", same on the metro line. It was a disaster what with the crazies causing havoc and there has been a volte face re police and funding.

 

[lpetrich]

I'll never understand why conservatives living in liberal areas don't realize that giving the police blanket totalitarian powers over the lives of citizens is a strategy that could potentially backfire on them. Like, you know all your neighbors hate you just as much as you hate the homeless, right? No one's going to come rushing to your defense when the police abrogate your rights in exactly the same ways you cheered on when they were doing it to someone else. When it comes to police harassment, either all of us are safe, or none of us are.

I agree. I marvel at right-wingers' eagerness to defend government coercion when that coercion is directed at people they dislike. Do they believe that they are invulnerable?

But when the criminal justice system comes after them, they howl with rage and sound exactly like their stereotype of soft-on-crime ultraliberals. Case in point: the January 6 attackers. Many of them have been rounded up, jailed, and found guilty of a variety of offenses, like attacking cops. One might expect right-wingers to be outraged at anyone who attacks a cop, but they are not -- they take the side of these cop attackers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oh my god you really do laugh at the concept of reading local news...

I laughed at the LA Times because it is shit.

I'll never understand why conservatives living in liberal areas don't realize that giving the police blanket totalitarian powers over the lives of citizens is a strategy that could potentially backfire on them.

ffs, Los Angeles is not a police state. LA was committed to reducing police and sheriffs after the BLM bullshit. Which they did, for a while. And let's not forget the "liberals" all screaming to have the non vaccinated arrested and fired from their jobs. I'm not the authoritarian here fella.

Like, you know all your neighbors hate you just as much as you hate the homeless, right?

I don't hate the homeless.

No, you don't care. You'd have to care in order to hate.

I have not given my neighbors reason to hate me. My neighbors quite like me, I get invited to their house all the time. I look after their house when they are away on vacation etc.

You must be much nicer in person.

 

[Politesse]

You must be much nicer in person

I mean, aren't we all?

 

[Gospel]

I'm just as genuine and authentic here as I am in real life. Although I've had a few close calls where I narrowly escaped getting my brains blown out as a result, I'm still here and holding on strong.

 

[lostone]

Aren't we all?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm about as insufferable a self-professed know-it-all in real life too. The only difference is I avoid Trump supporters in the real world.

 

[Politesse]

I'm just as genuine and authentic here as I am in real life. Although I've had a few close calls where I narrowly escaped getting my brains blown out as a result, I'm still here and holding on strong.

You are well-named, then! And you know, I'm glad they missed.

 

[bilby]

You must be much nicer in person

I mean, aren't we all?

I'm not. I'm a complete asshole in person.