Syed's Mega-Thread

[RavenSky]

I don't believe that god (or any gods) exist, because there is no evidence. There is also no evidence for unicorns, so I don't believe in their existence either.

existence of universe IS evidence of god NOW you disprove that evidence

Syed, how old are you? Seriously dude, you argue worse than a 2-year-old. But since this seems to be all you are capable of understanding...

Existence of chocolate eggs IS evidence of the easter bunny. NOW you disprove that evidence.

 

[RavenSky]

I don't believe that god (or any gods) exist, because there is no evidence. There is also no evidence for unicorns, so I don't believe in their existence either.

we believe that god created the universe NOW you have to disprove that

Existence of chocolate eggs IS evidence of the easter bunny. NOW you disprove that evidence.

 

[Ford]

atheists believe in separation of church and state

The separation of church and state is something which is supported by atheists and theists alike. It is one of the pillars of our system of government and one that was enshrined in our Constitution in no small part due to the demands of religious people. Thomas Jefferson's famous letter to the Danbury Baptists (where he described a Wall of Separation between church and state) was written in response to their query expressing concern that the new government would not be sufficiently neutral with regards to religion.

atheists believe in secularism

Yes, and unless you live in a monastery, so do you.

atheists believe in gay rights

Yes, and so do most people. Atheists also believe (like most people) in equal rights for ethnic minorities, women, religious minorities and the disabled. People should have equal rights no matter their race, religion, color, creed, sexual orientation, or political views. This is not a radical stance.

atheists believe incest is ok

I don't know where you get this idea, but I'd wager that most atheists would disagree.

atheists believe open marriage is ok

Some certainly do. A lot do not. You're painting here with a brush broad enough to cover a barn in one pass.

atheists believe porn is ok

See above.

atheists believe abortion is ok

Most people - atheist and theist alike - agree that a woman should have control over whether or not she bears children.

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

A lot of people believe that end of life decisions should be made by the individual.

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

And so do theists, or the world's population would be a helluva lot smaller.

atheists believe life evolved without god

This is literally the only thing you've said in this post that is correct.

atheism IS a way of life

Nope. Just a lack of belief in a deity.

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

Atheism is neither a philosophy nor science. It is simply the lack of belief in god(s).

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Me personally? I was never indoctrinated into a religion. Never told that I had to believe in a deity. I was born an atheist. So were you.

 

[RavenSky]

Atheism isn't a philosophy, it is a single answer to a single question.

By definition, you need more than one belief in order to have something that constitutes a belief system.

atheists believe in separation of church and state

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe in secularism

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe in gay rights

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support
atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe porn is ok

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe abortion is ok

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheists believe life evolved without god

that is not a requirement for atheism nor is it a concept only atheists support

atheism IS a way of life

nope. It is only a lack of belief in gods

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

nope. It is only a lack of belief in gods

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Never said atheism was based on science. That's YOUR strawman. Further, no one is "denying" gods because no one has ever proven gods exist

 

[RavenSky]

what i said was atheist believe in general

Atheists in general believe the sky is blue, too. Does that make thinking the sky is blue part of the atheist "philosophy"? If so, Syed... what color is the sky on a sunny day?

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Actually, none of those are part of atheism. Atheism means that if you ask them if a given god exists, they will say no.

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if i say god created life how would you refute that?

if I say the easter bunny created life, how would you refute that?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Syed, any reason why you are so insulting in this thread? You're not normally like this.

He's really harping on marriage, too. I wonder if his wife cheated on him...? Or one of his sons' wives? Or maybe his grandkids had an orgy?

 

[Deepak]

we fear god you fear cops that keep us civil

Your god is imaginary. Cops are real and have guns.

Indeed - the only cops I fear are the ones who are uncivil. I've never needed the threat of cops to behave like a civilized person.

 

[Atheos]

This is just one of the many ways in which you thumb your nose at logic.

 False dilemma. Learn something about logic for baby Jesus's sake. It's almost his birthday after all.

I am opposed to trying to get the "No explanation, then Goddidit" crowd to use logic. IME it only causes them to wallow deeper in the irrational muck in which they are already mired.

Syed has displayed an unwillingness to learn anything about the sciences he castigates in his haste to continue in his delusion. He's been presented ad nauseum with links to articles that present lay explanations of  abiogenesis and  evolutionary theory.

This pattern of simply repeating these "challenges" while stopping one's ears and blinding one's eyes to the truth is tedious. But I can't help thinking of the lurkers who might be out there reading these things and honestly wanting to educate themselves. Unanswered challenges like these sometimes look like a win. The answers are out there. They're not that difficult to find. The only difficulty is whether or not one is willing to take that chance that someone else might know a bit more about a subject than they already do.

 

[PyramidHead]

Atheism isn't a philosophy, it is a single answer to a single question.

By definition, you need more than one belief in order to have something that constitutes a belief system.

atheists believe in separation of church and state

atheists believe in secularism

atheists believe in gay rights

atheists believe incest is ok

atheists believe open marriage is ok

atheists believe porn is ok

atheists believe abortion is ok

atheists believe euthanasia is ok

atheists believe sex outside marriage is ok

atheists believe life evolved without god

atheism IS a way of life

atheism IS a philosophy NOT science

you denied god based on philosophical and lifestyle reasons NOT based on science

Why is your mind so simple?

 

[Atheos]

It's like saying "Theists believe you should kill thousands of people by hijacking large passenger jets and crashing them into large, populated buildings."

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

It's like saying "Theists believe you should kill thousands of people by hijacking large passenger jets and crashing them into large, populated buildings."

Or "Theists believe you should put your children under the authority of priests and ministers and let them be raped".

 

[Shadowy Man]

you are unable to defend your rejection of god in rational manner therefore there is a god

It's not possible to write better satire. It can't be.

That word "rational". I don't think it means what he thinks it means.

 

[Syed]

Why do human do good and avoid bad ?

Your god is imaginary. Cops are real and have guns.

Indeed - the only cops I fear are the ones who are uncivil. I've never needed the threat of cops to behave like a civilized person.

you dont fear getting traffic ticket ? cops makes you good car driver and citizen

fear of god makes human good too

god created heaven and hell for some reason



Why do human do good and avoid bad ?

1, fear of god

2, fear of cops, jail time, execution

3, empathy

4, fear of society

5, fear of family

6, fear of friends

fear of god is the MOST effective and easy to civilized human

atheist ONLY fear cops

 

[Bronzeage]

Why do you think atheists fear cops?

 

[Playball40]

Do you truly believe that decent behavior is primarily motivated by "FEAR"? Really? Because it's already been proven that 'fear' of the death penalty does NOT deter crime. I suspect "fear" is not the primary motivator for human decency.

Indeed - the only cops I fear are the ones who are uncivil. I've never needed the threat of cops to behave like a civilized person.

you dont fear getting traffic ticket ? cops makes you good car driver and citizen

fear of god makes human good too

god created heaven and hell for some reason



Why do human do good and avoid bad ?

1, fear of god

2, fear of cops, jail time, execution

3, empathy

4, fear of society

5, fear of family

6, fear of friends

fear of god is the MOST effective and easy to civilized human

atheist ONLY fear cops

 

[Syed]

Why do you think atheists fear cops?

it depend on crime, traffic ticket, jail time, execution

 

[Syed]

Do you truly believe that decent behavior is primarily motivated by "FEAR"? Really? Because it's already been proven that 'fear' of the death penalty does NOT deter crime. I suspect "fear" is not the primary motivator for human decency.

read number 3, empathy

fear is the MOST effective for human decency

 

[James Brown]

This afternoon, I bought a snack at a convenience store. It cost a little over a dollar. I could have walked out of the store without paying. There was only one elderly woman behind the counter, and she couldn't have physically stopped me. She might have called the cops, but over a dollar? They wouldn't have arrived in time to stop me anyway.

So why did I pay for the food? With no God watching me, and with no chance that the cops would hassle me, why didn't I just walk out of the store?

It wasn't because of fear, Syed. There's nothing in that scenario to be afraid of.

I did the right thing because it was the right thing to do. The store owners had paid wholesale for that food and expected for the profits to support themselves. I paid for the food because I can imagine myself in the same situation, and wouldn't want others to steal from me. I'm not a shoplifter simply because police have made me scared to be so. I paid for the food because I want to live in a society based on trust and mutual respect, not fear and suspicion.

 

[jonJ]

what i said was atheist believe in general

And how many atheists do you actually know?

 

[Syed]

This afternoon, I bought a snack at a convenience store. It cost a little over a dollar. I could have walked out of the store without paying. There was only one elderly woman behind the counter, and she couldn't have physically stopped me. She might have called the cops, but over a dollar? They wouldn't have arrived in time to stop me anyway.

So why did I pay for the food? With no God watching me, and with no chance that the cops would hassle me, why didn't I just walk out of the store?

It wasn't because of fear, Syed. There's nothing in that scenario to be afraid of.

I did the right thing because it was the right thing to do. The store owners had paid wholesale for that food and expected for the profits to support themselves. I paid for the food because I can imagine myself in the same situation, and wouldn't want others to steal from me. I'm not a shoplifter simply because police have made me scared to be so. I paid for the food because I want to live in a society based on trust and mutual respect, not fear and suspicion.

dont we NEED cops on the streets?

we dont need jails ?

we dont need law enforcement?

we are good because we fear god and man