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I can't think of anyone who has more recklessly destroyed his own life, and now he's influencing his father on the future of this country? Maybe Joe really does believe that Hunter is "the smartest guy I know." :eek:
I can only think of a few people who have fucked up their lives worse than Hunter has fucked up his life.
But I'd VASTLY prefer Hunter Biden for President (or you or me for President), before the Republican wannabe dictator.
The unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power of one candidate would totally make me hope that their sheer incompetence would prevent the actual worst from happening. (As it narrowly did last time that mistake was made. Only a million "excess" American deaths seems like a small price to pay in retrospect.).
I admit to being puzzled by your comment that you would vastly prefer Hunter Biden as president (presumably over Trump). He is a convicted felon, like Trump is he not?
You complain incessantly that Trump is a convicted felon yet say that you would vastly prefer to have a different convicted felon as president.
And Hunter B by his actions has shown that he has unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power. That should disqualify him from consideration.
Pretty certain that everyone agrees that Hunter Biden should not be president. By happy coincidence, Hunter Biden is NOT running for POTUS. I am not certain where this idea that he is an important adviser to his father comes from but whosever ass it is really needs to see a doctor.
Try to keep up... From Slate:

Keep Hunter Biden As Far From the White House As Possible

Indeed, in the many reports about the president’s postdebate crisis-management tactics, Hunter has been a recurring character. The New York Times revealed that Hunter was among the “strongest voices imploring” his father not to drop out of the race when the Bidens gathered at Camp David, and NBC confirmed that Hunter has been joining the president at a slew of meetings with top White House aides—Jared Kushner–style—during the ongoing fallout. (One staffer summed up his reaction to the intrusion as, plainly and simply: “What the hell is happening?”)

It gets worse. Yesterday Axios went so far as to describe Hunter as the de facto “gatekeeper” to Biden, a characterization that provides little faith that the sitting president isn’t growing increasingly cloistered and hostile to criticism. (Naturally, Biden hasn’t even cracked the door open to the possibility of a replacement candidate in his meetings with Democratic leadership.) We are now deep into unknown territory, and as the Democrats reckon with the stakes of this election and the terrible hand they’re holding, there is one point that nobody should compromise on: Please get Hunter Biden as far away from the White House as fucking possible. The future of the country should not hang on what’s best for him.

I'll pass the word on to Slate and let them know about scheduling a doctor's appointment for their staff...
Where are the calls for the multiple felon with dreams of dictatorship to step down?
There aren't any that I've seen.
Well, the NYT finally got its head out of somebody’s ass and published this:
(Gifted so everybody’s should be able to read. )
 
It really shouldn't be a question of anyone NOT Trump winning but we know it's not a sure thing. Early on in the primary debates, Harris was one of my top candidates. But I am genuinely concerned she might lose to Trump, largely because of her sex and her color but not entirely that.
I wouldn't be worried about that at all. Sure, some people won't vote for her because of that, but I'm thinking turnouts will offset it.
I think that Biden is our best chance to win. And he has a great back up if he needs to step down. Is this the ideal situation? No, of course not. But we did not do our jobs of elevating younger people and giving them prominence to be able to take this election if Biden decided not to run again.
There was an opportunity for Biden to step aside gracefully. There is no way we can force this. But the time to have him step aside is getting close to having passed, both legally and strategically. I'll say Harris will likely need to pushed to do a lot more campaigning.
I really do wonder what exactly and who is behind this move to force Biden to quit. Unless he is really unwell and it's not being seen on camera (debate exception). But I'm very curious. EVERYONE knows the right time to put forth another candidate was during the primaries.
There is a truth out there, amongst a lot of lies. Biden really is presenting the situation that he is old... and potentially too old for the job. A ton of senility crap flying out there, but it is near impossible to fake it for over an hour in a speech. But, as with most things in politics, truth often isn't as important as image. Biden might be up for the job, but he fucked up royally at the debate.
Gender was a huge factor in Hillary losing to Trump. Just as it was during the 2008 primaries. ( Note: I voted for Obama in the primaries—and general)
 
It really shouldn't be a question of anyone NOT Trump winning but we know it's not a sure thing. Early on in the primary debates, Harris was one of my top candidates. But I am genuinely concerned she might lose to Trump, largely because of her sex and her color but not entirely that.
I wouldn't be worried about that at all. Sure, some people won't vote for her because of that, but I'm thinking turnouts will offset it.
I think that Biden is our best chance to win. And he has a great back up if he needs to step down. Is this the ideal situation? No, of course not. But we did not do our jobs of elevating younger people and giving them prominence to be able to take this election if Biden decided not to run again.
There was an opportunity for Biden to step aside gracefully. There is no way we can force this. But the time to have him step aside is getting close to having passed, both legally and strategically. I'll say Harris will likely need to pushed to do a lot more campaigning.
I really do wonder what exactly and who is behind this move to force Biden to quit. Unless he is really unwell and it's not being seen on camera (debate exception). But I'm very curious. EVERYONE knows the right time to put forth another candidate was during the primaries.
There is a truth out there, amongst a lot of lies. Biden really is presenting the situation that he is old... and potentially too old for the job. A ton of senility crap flying out there, but it is near impossible to fake it for over an hour in a speech. But, as with most things in politics, truth often isn't as important as image. Biden might be up for the job, but he fucked up royally at the debate.
Gender was a huge factor in Hillary losing to Trump. Just as it was during the 2008 primaries. ( Note: I voted for Obama in the primaries—and general)
There was an impact, but Clinton lost because the north wasn't solidified. The idea of Trump winning seemed too outlandish.
 
The other candidate wants to be a dictator and the Supreme Court just gave him their blessing.
Why is it so hard to avoid ridiculously disingenuous hyperbolization? Can you not defend your position and your candidate without such rhetoric?
Another case of you not paying attention but trying to speak authoritatively.
How about you post some actual real definitive proof of the Supreme Court giving Trump their blessing to be a dictator, rather than just asserting it to be true and expecting that everyone will accept your interpretation to be 100% accurate and unbiased truth?





None of that actually supports your assertion that the Supreme Court has given Trump their blessing to be a dictator. That's your interpretation, rubbed on top of other people's interpretation, some of which are truly bizarre.

The Supreme Court said core presidential functions such as communicating with other officials are absolutely immune from prosecution. And other acts that may straddle the line are presumptively immune, meaning a defendant can assume they are immune unless a prosecutor can prove otherwise.

That's not even remotely similar to your hyperbolic claim.

What's even more interesting is that the ruling itself is agnostic with respect to which president - it applies to any and all presidents. So if you really want to stick to your guns on your bespoke chicken-little interpretation, allow me to point out that by your logic, the Supreme Court has given BIDEN their blessing to be a dictator too.
 
If Biden has’one foot in the glue factory,’ how should we characterize the other candidate, three years younger, who, for years has been rumored to suffer fecal incontinence, and who has been rumored, for years, to take copious amounts ts of adderall and other prescription medications for which he may/may not have a prescription, who was a frequent flyer with Jeffrey Epstein, who has been adjudicated as rapist, who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, including that of a minor child ( I don’t remember if she was 12 or 13), who has stolen government documents to and who is strongly suspected of sharing those documents with hostile foreign governments ts, who is known to have bragged and shown such documents casually to guests at Mar A Largo and whose son is frequently videotaped while apparently try high on cocaine and/or other assorted drugs and who Has been credibly suspected of numerous accounts of fraud, aside from the 34 felony counts he was found guilty of committing?

Trump often appears to be suffering from dementia.

Why is his candidacy not called more into question?

It has been called into question for years and years and years and years. What we find is that the MAGAtards DON’T CARE, and probably even support him more because he is evil and incompetent. The focus on Biden is because of the desperate desire of non-MAGAts to keep this evil, corrupt and incompetent psychopathic swindler from returning to the White House to finish the job he started of gutting what remains of our democracy. People are desperately concerned that Biden is not up to the task of winning this election, and I think they are right to be concerned.
I do understand the concern given Biden’s age. In fact, that was for me a huge concern four years ago. That and the fact that he was more middle of the road than I preferred. BUT I do think his old school approach to politics and long relationships and extensive experience are exactly what beat Trump. My personal guess is that he might have stepped aside if Trump had not gotten the GOP nomination. My husband disagrees with me and thinks Biden has wanted to be POTUS for a long time and it's hard to give up that job.

Whichever one of us is right about that, I think most people feel that he has exceeded all expectations and pushed through more progressive legislation that I would have guessed possible.

In any case, the time to question his candidacy was during the primaries. Trump is such an existential threat to our democracy that we cannot afford to fuck around and wring our hands crying that Biden is tooo. ooolllldddd. I agree. He’s old. But he has a great team that is extremely competent to give him back up as needed. I think we are in much better shape with Biden than with Trump and those are our choices. Last minute hand wringing only helps Trump.

Part of me wonders if some of this newfound concern is really that his VP is Kamala Harris, a black woman and it is possible that she could end up taking over if his health fails. Emphasis on the woman part of the equation.

To which I answer: same issue with Trump quite possibly being unable to finish his term. How do you like any of the candidates for his VP? Definitely vomit inducing choices.

We may wish we had younger candidates to choose from but we don’t. And it’s our fault.

Let’s not compound the error by failing to elect the far superior candidate.

I’m still ridin’ with Biden. All the way baby.
Living under a Westminster parliamentary system allows me to compare how you yanks do certain things as opposed to how we would do the same.
I have underlined a section that has been mentioned many times here on these fora and on the reports we get on our tellies. What to do with Kamala Harris?
In a Westminster system being VP (we would call them the deputy) is automatically the 1st drop (cricketing term meaning next batter in). There would no dispute that they, regardless of gender, colour etc., would succeed. There would be no discussion about other possible picks. After all that is why they were elected (or perhaps selected?) to be where they are.
Yet in your system the VP seems to be mere functionary. They fill a hole that seems to have unknown size and shape. It is most puzzling.

The Westminster system is far more ruthless that yours. Biden would be gone by now as leader in the UK, Australia, NZ etc. The cabinet, caucus would meet with one item on the agenda - Biden stay or go. Show of hands - result known. Biden leaves room as rooster (still president) or feather duster (looking for a new job or more likely off into retirement).
No long drawn out Hamletesque ending.
Kamala Harris would take over as POTUS should Biden be unable to complete his term. Whether she would be the first choice to run INSTEAD of Biden if he stepped aside is a different question. She’s a woman and for too many, that would be a detriment. She’s not white: for some ( over lapping groups but not 100% overlap) this would be a fatal flaw. I know some who would not want to vote for her because she was a prosecutor, or because she was too tough or too lenient. Others will point out that she has won only a single term as a Senator and has never been Congressperson or Governor.
I think your assumptions are wrong, there've been a few polls out there that show that if Michelle Obama were running, she would have the absolute best chance to beat trump. Are you somehow under the impression that Michelle Obama is not a black woman? Or is it possible that you're trying to find an easy out by brushing aside the dislike of Harris as being vacuous and bigoted instead of recognizing that people don't much like her as a person, regardless of her sex or melanin content?
 

I can't think of anyone who has more recklessly destroyed his own life, and now he's influencing his father on the future of this country? Maybe Joe really does believe that Hunter is "the smartest guy I know." :eek:
I can only think of a few people who have fucked up their lives worse than Hunter has fucked up his life.
But I'd VASTLY prefer Hunter Biden for President (or you or me for President), before the Republican wannabe dictator.
The unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power of one candidate would totally make me hope that their sheer incompetence would prevent the actual worst from happening. (As it narrowly did last time that mistake was made. Only a million "excess" American deaths seems like a small price to pay in retrospect.).
I admit to being puzzled by your comment that you would vastly prefer Hunter Biden as president (presumably over Trump). He is a convicted felon, like Trump is he not?
You complain incessantly that Trump is a convicted felon yet say that you would vastly prefer to have a different convicted felon as president.
And Hunter B by his actions has shown that he has unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power. That should disqualify him from consideration.
Pretty certain that everyone agrees that Hunter Biden should not be president. By happy coincidence, Hunter Biden is NOT running for POTUS. I am not certain where this idea that he is an important adviser to his father comes from but whosever ass it is really needs to see a doctor.
Try to keep up... From Slate:

Keep Hunter Biden As Far From the White House As Possible

Indeed, in the many reports about the president’s postdebate crisis-management tactics, Hunter has been a recurring character. The New York Times revealed that Hunter was among the “strongest voices imploring” his father not to drop out of the race when the Bidens gathered at Camp David, and NBC confirmed that Hunter has been joining the president at a slew of meetings with top White House aides—Jared Kushner–style—during the ongoing fallout. (One staffer summed up his reaction to the intrusion as, plainly and simply: “What the hell is happening?”)

It gets worse. Yesterday Axios went so far as to describe Hunter as the de facto “gatekeeper” to Biden, a characterization that provides little faith that the sitting president isn’t growing increasingly cloistered and hostile to criticism. (Naturally, Biden hasn’t even cracked the door open to the possibility of a replacement candidate in his meetings with Democratic leadership.) We are now deep into unknown territory, and as the Democrats reckon with the stakes of this election and the terrible hand they’re holding, there is one point that nobody should compromise on: Please get Hunter Biden as far away from the White House as fucking possible. The future of the country should not hang on what’s best for him.

I'll pass the word on to Slate and let them know about scheduling a doctor's appointment for their staff...
Where are the calls for the multiple felon with dreams of dictatorship to step down?
There aren't any that I've seen.
There are plenty. But it doesn't benefit media to highlight those - it's far juicier to keep the partisan divide strong and growing, and make it look like Republicans are a monolith out to destroy the whole country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign
 
It really shouldn't be a question of anyone NOT Trump winning but we know it's not a sure thing. Early on in the primary debates, Harris was one of my top candidates. But I am genuinely concerned she might lose to Trump, largely because of her sex and her color but not entirely that.
I wouldn't be worried about that at all. Sure, some people won't vote for her because of that, but I'm thinking turnouts will offset it.
I think that Biden is our best chance to win. And he has a great back up if he needs to step down. Is this the ideal situation? No, of course not. But we did not do our jobs of elevating younger people and giving them prominence to be able to take this election if Biden decided not to run again.
There was an opportunity for Biden to step aside gracefully. There is no way we can force this. But the time to have him step aside is getting close to having passed, both legally and strategically. I'll say Harris will likely need to pushed to do a lot more campaigning.
I really do wonder what exactly and who is behind this move to force Biden to quit. Unless he is really unwell and it's not being seen on camera (debate exception). But I'm very curious. EVERYONE knows the right time to put forth another candidate was during the primaries.
There is a truth out there, amongst a lot of lies. Biden really is presenting the situation that he is old... and potentially too old for the job. A ton of senility crap flying out there, but it is near impossible to fake it for over an hour in a speech. But, as with most things in politics, truth often isn't as important as image. Biden might be up for the job, but he fucked up royally at the debate.
Gender was a huge factor in Hillary losing to Trump. Just as it was during the 2008 primaries. ( Note: I voted for Obama in the primaries—and general)
I don't think it was. I know a lot of people say it is, but I think they're wrong. Hillary lost because Hillary is an unlikeable person who was openly condescending toward a large portion of the country, approached the campaign with the assumption that it was her turn and that she didn't have to be bothered to win over voters, and was notoriously rude to staff during her husband's presidency.

Clinton's sex might hypothetically have been a turn-off for people who would never have voted D anyway... but I don't think that was the issue you think it was for D and I voters.
 
I think your assumptions are wrong, there've been a few polls out there that show that if Michelle Obama were running, she would have the absolute best chance to beat trump. Are you somehow under the impression that Michelle Obama is not a black woman? Or is it possible that you're trying to find an easy out by brushing aside the dislike of Harris as being vacuous and bigoted instead of recognizing that people don't much like her as a person, regardless of her sex or melanin content?
There are those who have non-demographically driven rationales for liking Ms Harris. And there are those who have demographically driven dislike of Ms Harris. It u
Is the latter who pose an unfair (in a rational world) to a successful candidacy.
 

I can't think of anyone who has more recklessly destroyed his own life, and now he's influencing his father on the future of this country? Maybe Joe really does believe that Hunter is "the smartest guy I know." :eek:
I can only think of a few people who have fucked up their lives worse than Hunter has fucked up his life.
But I'd VASTLY prefer Hunter Biden for President (or you or me for President), before the Republican wannabe dictator.
The unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power of one candidate would totally make me hope that their sheer incompetence would prevent the actual worst from happening. (As it narrowly did last time that mistake was made. Only a million "excess" American deaths seems like a small price to pay in retrospect.).
I admit to being puzzled by your comment that you would vastly prefer Hunter Biden as president (presumably over Trump). He is a convicted felon, like Trump is he not?
You complain incessantly that Trump is a convicted felon yet say that you would vastly prefer to have a different convicted felon as president.
And Hunter B by his actions has shown that he has unbridled greed, mendacity, cruelty and lust for power. That should disqualify him from consideration.
Pretty certain that everyone agrees that Hunter Biden should not be president. By happy coincidence, Hunter Biden is NOT running for POTUS. I am not certain where this idea that he is an important adviser to his father comes from but whosever ass it is really needs to see a doctor.
Try to keep up... From Slate:

Keep Hunter Biden As Far From the White House As Possible

Indeed, in the many reports about the president’s postdebate crisis-management tactics, Hunter has been a recurring character. The New York Times revealed that Hunter was among the “strongest voices imploring” his father not to drop out of the race when the Bidens gathered at Camp David, and NBC confirmed that Hunter has been joining the president at a slew of meetings with top White House aides—Jared Kushner–style—during the ongoing fallout. (One staffer summed up his reaction to the intrusion as, plainly and simply: “What the hell is happening?”)

It gets worse. Yesterday Axios went so far as to describe Hunter as the de facto “gatekeeper” to Biden, a characterization that provides little faith that the sitting president isn’t growing increasingly cloistered and hostile to criticism. (Naturally, Biden hasn’t even cracked the door open to the possibility of a replacement candidate in his meetings with Democratic leadership.) We are now deep into unknown territory, and as the Democrats reckon with the stakes of this election and the terrible hand they’re holding, there is one point that nobody should compromise on: Please get Hunter Biden as far away from the White House as fucking possible. The future of the country should not hang on what’s best for him.

I'll pass the word on to Slate and let them know about scheduling a doctor's appointment for their staff...
Where are the calls for the multiple felon with dreams of dictatorship to step down?
There aren't any that I've seen.
There are plenty. But it doesn't benefit media to highlight those - it's far juicier to keep the partisan divide strong and growing, and make it look like Republicans are a monolith out to destroy the whole country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign
To be fair: The power structure of the GOP wants to so severely change the USA that it in effect will destroy our democracy, severely limit women’s rights an led greatly curtail the rights of immigrants and persons of color while expanding the ability of corporations to trash the environment.

I know not all Republicans are on board but enough of them are ready to hold their noses and vote for Trump to eliminate abortion.
 
If Biden has’one foot in the glue factory,’ how should we characterize the other candidate, three years younger, who, for years has been rumored to suffer fecal incontinence, and who has been rumored, for years, to take copious amounts ts of adderall and other prescription medications for which he may/may not have a prescription, who was a frequent flyer with Jeffrey Epstein, who has been adjudicated as rapist, who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, including that of a minor child ( I don’t remember if she was 12 or 13), who has stolen government documents to and who is strongly suspected of sharing those documents with hostile foreign governments ts, who is known to have bragged and shown such documents casually to guests at Mar A Largo and whose son is frequently videotaped while apparently try high on cocaine and/or other assorted drugs and who Has been credibly suspected of numerous accounts of fraud, aside from the 34 felony counts he was found guilty of committing?

Trump often appears to be suffering from dementia.

Why is his candidacy not called more into question?

It has been called into question for years and years and years and years. What we find is that the MAGAtards DON’T CARE, and probably even support him more because he is evil and incompetent. The focus on Biden is because of the desperate desire of non-MAGAts to keep this evil, corrupt and incompetent psychopathic swindler from returning to the White House to finish the job he started of gutting what remains of our democracy. People are desperately concerned that Biden is not up to the task of winning this election, and I think they are right to be concerned.
I do understand the concern given Biden’s age. In fact, that was for me a huge concern four years ago. That and the fact that he was more middle of the road than I preferred. BUT I do think his old school approach to politics and long relationships and extensive experience are exactly what beat Trump. My personal guess is that he might have stepped aside if Trump had not gotten the GOP nomination. My husband disagrees with me and thinks Biden has wanted to be POTUS for a long time and it's hard to give up that job.

Whichever one of us is right about that, I think most people feel that he has exceeded all expectations and pushed through more progressive legislation that I would have guessed possible.

In any case, the time to question his candidacy was during the primaries. Trump is such an existential threat to our democracy that we cannot afford to fuck around and wring our hands crying that Biden is tooo. ooolllldddd. I agree. He’s old. But he has a great team that is extremely competent to give him back up as needed. I think we are in much better shape with Biden than with Trump and those are our choices. Last minute hand wringing only helps Trump.

Part of me wonders if some of this newfound concern is really that his VP is Kamala Harris, a black woman and it is possible that she could end up taking over if his health fails. Emphasis on the woman part of the equation.

To which I answer: same issue with Trump quite possibly being unable to finish his term. How do you like any of the candidates for his VP? Definitely vomit inducing choices.

We may wish we had younger candidates to choose from but we don’t. And it’s our fault.

Let’s not compound the error by failing to elect the far superior candidate.

I’m still ridin’ with Biden. All the way baby.
Living under a Westminster parliamentary system allows me to compare how you yanks do certain things as opposed to how we would do the same.
I have underlined a section that has been mentioned many times here on these fora and on the reports we get on our tellies. What to do with Kamala Harris?
In a Westminster system being VP (we would call them the deputy) is automatically the 1st drop (cricketing term meaning next batter in). There would no dispute that they, regardless of gender, colour etc., would succeed. There would be no discussion about other possible picks. After all that is why they were elected (or perhaps selected?) to be where they are.
Yet in your system the VP seems to be mere functionary. They fill a hole that seems to have unknown size and shape. It is most puzzling.

The Westminster system is far more ruthless that yours. Biden would be gone by now as leader in the UK, Australia, NZ etc. The cabinet, caucus would meet with one item on the agenda - Biden stay or go. Show of hands - result known. Biden leaves room as rooster (still president) or feather duster (looking for a new job or more likely off into retirement).
No long drawn out Hamletesque ending.
Kamala Harris would take over as POTUS should Biden be unable to complete his term. Whether she would be the first choice to run INSTEAD of Biden if he stepped aside is a different question. She’s a woman and for too many, that would be a detriment. She’s not white: for some ( over lapping groups but not 100% overlap) this would be a fatal flaw. I know some who would not want to vote for her because she was a prosecutor, or because she was too tough or too lenient. Others will point out that she has won only a single term as a Senator and has never been Congressperson or Governor.
I think your assumptions are wrong, there've been a few polls out there that show that if Michelle Obama were running, she would have the absolute best chance to beat trump. Are you somehow under the impression that Michelle Obama is not a black woman? Or is it possible that you're trying to find an easy out by brushing aside the dislike of Harris as being vacuous and bigoted instead of recognizing that people don't much like her as a person, regardless of her sex or melanin content?
Michelle Obama ( who wants nothing to do with being POTUS) was/is an admirable political spouse. I do not mean that she is not an extremely intelligent and accomplished woman in her own right: she most certainly is! And someone I admire greatly.

But there is a big difference in the public’s mind of being all of those things and bringing everything she has to support her husband’s ambitions—and having those ambitions for herself. Plus the public do love it some nostalgia. In the end, if she actually was interested in running, I wonder how much people would like her if she used her voice for herself. I used to read the NPR site fairly regularly and I was appalled at the ugliness and ignorance and sexism and racism that appeared in the comments —on the NOR site! every single time any piece mentioned her. It was disgusting.

I’m pretty certain Oprah Winfrey polls well too. As much as I respect Winfrey’s talents and accomplishments, I don’t think she’d be good in government. And I'm pretty certain that her shortcomings would emerge, right along with the sexism and racism.

Don’t get me wrong: I very proudly voted for Hillary despite some misgivings, and if Michelle Obama actually wanted to run, I’d support her, too., and more enthusiastically. But so far, sexism has proven pretty impossible to overcome.
 
The other candidate wants to be a dictator and the Supreme Court just gave him their blessing.
Why is it so hard to avoid ridiculously disingenuous hyperbolization? Can you not defend your position and your candidate without such rhetoric?
Another case of you not paying attention but trying to speak authoritatively.
How about you post some actual real definitive proof of the Supreme Court giving Trump their blessing to be a dictator, rather than just asserting it to be true and expecting that everyone will accept your interpretation to be 100% accurate and unbiased truth?





None of that actually supports your assertion that the Supreme Court has given Trump their blessing to be a dictator. That's your interpretation, rubbed on top of other people's interpretation, some of which are truly bizarre.

The Supreme Court said core presidential functions such as communicating with other officials are absolutely immune from prosecution. And other acts that may straddle the line are presumptively immune, meaning a defendant can assume they are immune unless a prosecutor can prove otherwise.

That's not even remotely similar to your hyperbolic claim.
Legal scholars vehemently disagree with you.

What's even more interesting is that the ruling itself is agnostic with respect to which president - it applies to any and all presidents. So if you really want to stick to your guns on your bespoke chicken-little interpretation, allow me to point out that by your logic, the Supreme Court has given BIDEN their blessing to be a dictator too.
And legal scholars agree with that too. That's why Biden said he would take the ethical way and not do the things he could now do.
 
If Biden has’one foot in the glue factory,’ how should we characterize the other candidate, three years younger, who, for years has been rumored to suffer fecal incontinence, and who has been rumored, for years, to take copious amounts ts of adderall and other prescription medications for which he may/may not have a prescription, who was a frequent flyer with Jeffrey Epstein, who has been adjudicated as rapist, who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, including that of a minor child ( I don’t remember if she was 12 or 13), who has stolen government documents to and who is strongly suspected of sharing those documents with hostile foreign governments ts, who is known to have bragged and shown such documents casually to guests at Mar A Largo and whose son is frequently videotaped while apparently try high on cocaine and/or other assorted drugs and who Has been credibly suspected of numerous accounts of fraud, aside from the 34 felony counts he was found guilty of committing?

Trump often appears to be suffering from dementia.

Why is his candidacy not called more into question?

It has been called into question for years and years and years and years. What we find is that the MAGAtards DON’T CARE, and probably even support him more because he is evil and incompetent. The focus on Biden is because of the desperate desire of non-MAGAts to keep this evil, corrupt and incompetent psychopathic swindler from returning to the White House to finish the job he started of gutting what remains of our democracy. People are desperately concerned that Biden is not up to the task of winning this election, and I think they are right to be concerned.
I do understand the concern given Biden’s age. In fact, that was for me a huge concern four years ago. That and the fact that he was more middle of the road than I preferred. BUT I do think his old school approach to politics and long relationships and extensive experience are exactly what beat Trump. My personal guess is that he might have stepped aside if Trump had not gotten the GOP nomination. My husband disagrees with me and thinks Biden has wanted to be POTUS for a long time and it's hard to give up that job.

Whichever one of us is right about that, I think most people feel that he has exceeded all expectations and pushed through more progressive legislation that I would have guessed possible.

In any case, the time to question his candidacy was during the primaries. Trump is such an existential threat to our democracy that we cannot afford to fuck around and wring our hands crying that Biden is tooo. ooolllldddd. I agree. He’s old. But he has a great team that is extremely competent to give him back up as needed. I think we are in much better shape with Biden than with Trump and those are our choices. Last minute hand wringing only helps Trump.

Part of me wonders if some of this newfound concern is really that his VP is Kamala Harris, a black woman and it is possible that she could end up taking over if his health fails. Emphasis on the woman part of the equation.

To which I answer: same issue with Trump quite possibly being unable to finish his term. How do you like any of the candidates for his VP? Definitely vomit inducing choices.

We may wish we had younger candidates to choose from but we don’t. And it’s our fault.

Let’s not compound the error by failing to elect the far superior candidate.

I’m still ridin’ with Biden. All the way baby.
Living under a Westminster parliamentary system allows me to compare how you yanks do certain things as opposed to how we would do the same.
I have underlined a section that has been mentioned many times here on these fora and on the reports we get on our tellies. What to do with Kamala Harris?
In a Westminster system being VP (we would call them the deputy) is automatically the 1st drop (cricketing term meaning next batter in). There would no dispute that they, regardless of gender, colour etc., would succeed. There would be no discussion about other possible picks. After all that is why they were elected (or perhaps selected?) to be where they are.
Yet in your system the VP seems to be mere functionary. They fill a hole that seems to have unknown size and shape. It is most puzzling.

The Westminster system is far more ruthless that yours. Biden would be gone by now as leader in the UK, Australia, NZ etc. The cabinet, caucus would meet with one item on the agenda - Biden stay or go. Show of hands - result known. Biden leaves room as rooster (still president) or feather duster (looking for a new job or more likely off into retirement).
No long drawn out Hamletesque ending.
Kamala Harris would take over as POTUS should Biden be unable to complete his term. Whether she would be the first choice to run INSTEAD of Biden if he stepped aside is a different question. She’s a woman and for too many, that would be a detriment. She’s not white: for some ( over lapping groups but not 100% overlap) this would be a fatal flaw. I know some who would not want to vote for her because she was a prosecutor, or because she was too tough or too lenient. Others will point out that she has won only a single term as a Senator and has never been Congressperson or Governor.
I think your assumptions are wrong, there've been a few polls out there that show that if Michelle Obama were running, she would have the absolute best chance to beat trump. Are you somehow under the impression that Michelle Obama is not a black woman? Or is it possible that you're trying to find an easy out by brushing aside the dislike of Harris as being vacuous and bigoted instead of recognizing that people don't much like her as a person, regardless of her sex or melanin content?
Michelle Obama has specifically said numberous times that she has absolutely no interest in running for political office.
 
He is a convicted felon, like Trump is he not?
False equivalence. Hunter was convicted of screwing up (lying on) a form. Trump is a career criminal whose legacy of fraud, deceit and mob tactics goes back half a century and beyond.
Yeah they’re both American males, they both have felony convictions, and that’s about where it ends. Trump is a malevolent, malignant, misogynistic racist with a room temperature IQ.
And, Hunter Biden is not attempting to take over the US gov’t.
I was merely responding to Elixir's comment that he would prefer Hunter to Trump despite him being a convicted felon.
 
He is a convicted felon, like Trump is he not?
False equivalence. Hunter was convicted of screwing up (lying on) a form. Trump is a career criminal whose legacy of fraud, deceit and mob tactics goes back half a century and beyond.
Yeah they’re both American males, they both have felony convictions, and that’s about where it ends. Trump is a malevolent, malignant, misogynistic racist with a room temperature IQ.
And, Hunter Biden is not attempting to take over the US gov’t.
I was merely responding to Elixir's comment that he would prefer Hunter to Trump despite him being a convicted felon.
I would prefer a boil on the ass of a twenty dollar hooker over Trump.
 
I was merely responding to Elixir's comment that he would prefer Hunter to Trump despite him being a convicted felon.
The felon bit doesn't matter if it's not an actual possibility for HB to ever be president. The sentiment is simply that anyone or anything is, indisputably, preferable to Trump being president a second time. A second Trump presidency will fuck up a lot of lives for at least a few decades since he will replace the aging MAGA judges on the Supreme Court with young MAGA judges.
 
The only places I've seen Michael Obamas's name being brought up as a viable candidate is on far right Qanon adjacent platforms as some kind of super sekret Demonrat conspiracy. I think Emily Lake just did a self report, as the kids say today. If I were to speculate, I would say the reason the far right are saying Michelle Obama wants to run is because nepotism is all they understand. Just ask the current head of the RNC and then her predecessor.
 
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Huh???
I read it as he simply sees religion as a cheat code to get into heaven. You don't actually have to behave, just wear the trappings of religion.
 
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