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laughing dog said:
You dismiss statistics you find discomforting when they show the US (and white people) in a bad light, but you embrace statistics that show people of color (especially black people) in a bad light.
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It's not about race, it's about the fact that different countries use different metrics on a number of issues, which makes international comparisons difficult. You certainly cannot just directly compare numbers if they do not measure the same thing. Infant mortality is another one where different countries use different definitions, and thus straight comparison is impossible.
 
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Policy Options via Oleg said:
Black people are dramatically over-represented in Canada’s prison system, making up 8.6 of the federal prison population, despite the fact they make up only 3 percent of the population. What is more, between 2003 and 2013, the incarceration rate among Black people increased by nearly 90 percent.
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Idiots like Anthony Morgan ignore is that incarceration rates should follow crime rates, not population. If blacks are "dramatically over-represented" among perps, they should be over-represented in the prison system as well. Equity is a bankrupt ideology.
 
Derec said:
Shadowy Man said:
And we all know how easy that was.
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Don didn't say anything about easy. His categorical contention was that "we don't arrest them or convict them". That is patently false.
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Was it an absolute categorical statement though? Are you just playing semantic games? If I said men are taller than women would you point out a single example of a woman who was taller than a man and then claim my contention is disproven?

This is a kind of rhetorical fallacy that I call “argument from exception to the rule”.

Just because you can find one contrary example doesn’t mean that on average they aren’t aren’t arrested and convicted nearly as much. That’s how I took his statement. Your response was mostly pedantry.
 
Derec said:
laughing dog said:
You dismiss statistics you find discomforting when they show the US (and white people) in a bad light, but you embrace statistics that show people of color (especially black people) in a bad light.
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It's not about race, it's about the fact that different countries use different metrics on a number of issues, which makes international comparisons difficult. You certainly cannot just directly compare numbers if they do not measure the same thing. Infant mortality is another one where different countries use different definitions, and thus straight comparison is impossible.
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Yet these comparison difficulties are only brought up to deflect from a relevant point. Moreover there is no evidence presented that these “ difficulties “ significantly matter.
 
Brandon's America;

This is the horrific moment a man casually loads a handgun and executes a homeless man on a St. Louis sidewalk. The incident occurred yesterday outside The Globe Building. Harrowing footage shared online shows Deshawn Thomas, the shooter, standing behind the homeless victim as he sits on the sidewalk with his hands covering his ears. After around 20 seconds, the gunman loaded his gun and shot the man at point blank range.
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Daily Mail
 
Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon has suspended the attorney who prosecuted a 26-year-old trans child molester who was accused of identifying as a woman only after DNA evidence linked her to a cold case crime, according to law enforcement sources. Shea Sanna, who had been the lead prosecutor for part of the case, is accused of misgendering and "deadnaming" the convicted child molester Hannah Tubbs, who is now accused of beating a man to death in the woods with a rock in Kern County.
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Fox

Well we know what side Gascon is on, the side of the criminals.
 
TSwizzle said:
Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon has suspended the attorney who prosecuted a 26-year-old trans child molester who was accused of identifying as a woman only after DNA evidence linked her to a cold case crime, according to law enforcement sources. Shea Sanna, who had been the lead prosecutor for part of the case, is accused of misgendering and "deadnaming" the convicted child molester Hannah Tubbs, who is now accused of beating a man to death in the woods with a rock in Kern County.
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Well we know what side Gascon is on, the side of the criminals.
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Chastising a lawyer for prosecutorial misconduct is not usually seen as an endorsement of the innocence of the accused. If anything, you want your prosecutors to behave as above board as possible, so that if their client is in the right, the prosecution will stick, not get thrown out over matters of procedure rather than merit.
 
Ah, the San Francisco Bay Area. One of the most nightmarish hellholes of civil decay, violence, drug use, and prostitution imaginable. It is basically Mad Max out here, and no one in their right mind would ever want to live here. Every day here is a gritty battle for existence against the evil cyborg governor and his Islamist/atheist/communist street gang minions.

Incidentally, also home to three of the five happiest cities in America. My own town has once again topped the list, for the third year running. I moved here four years ago, incidentally. Coincidence? I think not!
 
Politesse said:
Ah, the San Francisco Bay Area. One of the most nightmarish hellholes of civil decay, violence, drug use, and prostitution imaginable. It is basically Mad Max out here, and no one in their right mind would ever want to live here. Every day here is a gritty battle for existence against the evil cyborg governor and his Islamist/atheist/communist street gang minions.

Incidentally, also home to three of the five happiest cities in America. My own town has once again topped the list, for the third year running. I moved here four years ago, incidentally. Coincidence? I think not!
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That's weird. My city was ranked #1 in the country in another recent poll. Shocked me...it doesn't seem to be a standout to me in any way. But it gets no mention at all in yours. Makes me wonder if these surveys really mean anything at all.

Majority of the nation’s ‘happiest’ cities are in California: Here’s the list

The fact remains that people are leaving California and the Bay Area in record numbers. There seems to be a disconnect here with the survey results.
 
thebeave said:
The fact remains that people are leaving California and the Bay Area in record numbers. There seems to be a disconnect here with the survey results.
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That's about price, not so much quality of life. It's very difficult to find affordable housing here, and a lot of the jobs that were bringing people into the area went remote during the pandemic, making it seem less necesary to live nearby.

Lists like these mean exactly as much as they mean. They are probably valid reflections of the criteria they used to pick them out, but nothing more than that.
 
Politesse said:
One of the most nightmarish hellholes of civil decay, violence, drug use, and prostitution imaginable. It is basically Mad Max…
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And to think that in my late teens/early 20s I roamed the streets of the “worst” parts of SF in the wee hours, without incident and virtually without fear. Living in the Haight and going to concerts most nights at the Fillmore or Avalon (or both) and walking home (Page & Schrader) some nights meant getting fairly familiar with the seamy underbelly of the day. It must have gotten a lot worse or I was more of a badass than I ever thought.
 
Walmart has said it is permanently closing its last two stores in Portland - months after its CEO warned of a historic rise in thefts. The sites, located at the Delta Park and Eastport Plaza shopping centers in North and Southeast Portland, will shutter on March 24. The retail giants said it is closing the stores - which serve as a haven for low-income shoppers across the city - because they were not meeting financial expectations. That said, the closures serve as the latest instance of businesses relocating or closing shop altogether amid a pronounced rise in crime and homelessness. The mass exodus has been carried out by owners fed-up with the Portland's sad state, and officials' subsequent failure to quell both crises.
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Daily Mail

Policies matter.
 
TSwizzle said:
Walmart has said it is permanently closing its last two stores in Portland - months after its CEO warned of a historic rise in thefts. The sites, located at the Delta Park and Eastport Plaza shopping centers in North and Southeast Portland, will shutter on March 24. The retail giants said it is closing the stores - which serve as a haven for low-income shoppers across the city - because they were not meeting financial expectations. That said, the closures serve as the latest instance of businesses relocating or closing shop altogether amid a pronounced rise in crime and homelessness. The mass exodus has been carried out by owners fed-up with the Portland's sad state, and officials' subsequent failure to quell both crises.
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Daily Mail

Policies matter.
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Lefty policies usually hurt those they claim they're trying to help.
 
Apparently, spin matters more.

The only link between crime and the closure of these stores, is an hypothesis being proposed by the Daily Mail, that is contradicted by the plain text of the Walmart announcement, which tells us that the closure is "because they were not meeting financial expectations".

The only evidence they have is a vague reference to a comment made months ago by the CEO (what, exactly did he say? Did he mention these two stores specifically? Did he mention Portland? Or did he just happen to mention, months ago, that thefts were increasing at Walmart stores in general?).

The other part that was bolded is pure speculation; They don't even dare to draw a connection themselves, and just insinuate it using the weasel word "amid".

When you're being manipulated so effectively that you start evangelising for the manipulator, it's clear that you aren't in the habit of looking for signs that you are being misled. But those signs are so glaring in that text, that I find it astonishing that anyone could read it without rolling their eyes so hard that they can see their brain.
 
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