Trump Will Likely Win

[Elixir]

isn't the ability to terminate mistakes before they become scandals also valuable to them?

Probably a little moreso since the advent of DNA paternity tests.
But any man who thinks of women as humans rather than pieces of tail, should be strongly motivated to do away with those laws that kill women, not just preferentially but exclusively.
I don’t even get women who want to
maintain those laws. How do they benefit? By being on the holy end of a power trip?
At the cost of others’ lives?
Deplorable.

 

[SLD]

Why is denial of abortion so important to men? Very few American men are strictly monogamous, so isn't the ability to terminate mistakes before they become expensive scandals also valuable to them? I get the straight men have this obsession with controlling women, but coercing someone to abort is no less a violation of their right to choose, so they can still be abusive to their partners if that matters to them more than democracy.

I don’t know if it’s so much of the power to deny abortions as it is that men just don’t care that much about the issue. It’s obviously more important to women. Plus religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

Speaking as a man, I recognize that women’s rights are human rights and that the ability to control your own body should be sacred. But the religious grip seems so strong, at least around here where I live, that the rise of the nones has been barely noticed. So many young women around here seem to think that they should subordinate their lives to their men. It’s just expected. Sad. Religion sucks.

 

[Politesse]

Plus religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

Also pro-socialism, anti-war, and opposed to public prayer, but I don't see any Christian blowhards campaigning on those issues.

 

[SLD]

Plus religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

Also pro-socialism, anti-war, and opposed to public prayer, but I don't see any Christian blowhards campaigning on those issues.

Their preachers don’t mention those aspects of the New Testament.

 

[Elixir]

religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

What religion is that?
I think it’s just self appointed religious blowhards who oppose reproductive rights, not scriptures or Jesus or anything like that.

 

[TomC]

religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

What religion is that?
I think it’s just self appointed religious blowhards who oppose reproductive rights, not scriptures or Jesus or anything like that.

Totally true.
There's absolutely no scripture opposing abortion.

By the standards of the day, unborn babies weren't alive. Breath was the standard for "alive", so until the baby drew their first breath they were not living. You can't kill something that is not alive.

That's before you get to the concept of person vs. chattel. By scriptural standards, children were the property of the father. Ya know, the "person" who planted his seed in a vessel. It remains his property, just like a stalk of grain he planted in a field.
There's nothing scriptural about anti-abortion.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

children were the property of the father

Or their mother's master, if she was enslaved.

 

[TomC]

children were the property of the father

Or their mother's master, if she was enslaved.

Being a woman, either she was chattel or simply didn't matter.
Married. Slave. ?
What was the difference between them in the day?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

children were the property of the father

Or their mother's master, if she was enslaved.

Being a woman, either she was chattel or simply didn't matter.
Married. Slave. ?
What was the difference between them in the day?
Tom

A slave's son was also a slave, however. Their father had no right to them. And there were different laws for slaves than for family, as well as between Hebrew and foreign-born slaves, not that any of the above were especially well-treated. Indeed, a daughter (though not a son) could be legally sold into slavery by their father, so these categories could not help but overlap.

I feel like we're wandering a bit off topic, though... perhaps there are a great many Americans who would profit from a careful reading of Leviticus before blindly agreeing to the tyranny that Trump's theocratic allies would happily inflict on all of us if allowed.

 

[SLD]

children were the property of the father

Or their mother's master, if she was enslaved.

Being a woman, either she was chattel or simply didn't matter.
Married. Slave. ?
What was the difference between them in the day?
Tom

A slave's son was also a slave, however. Their father had no right to them. And there were different laws for slaves than for family, as well as between Hebrew and foreign-born slaves, not that any of the above were especially well-treated. Indeed, a daughter (though not a son) could be legally sold into slavery by their father, so these categories could not help but overlap.

I feel like we're wandering a bit off topic, though... perhaps there are a great many Americans who would profit from a careful reading of Leviticus before blindly agreeing to the tyranny that Trump's theocratic allies would happily inflict on all of us if allowed.

Oh and they have every intention of so imposing it on us. Jesus wants that. At least according to them.

 

[bilby]

religion tells them to be anti abortion rights.

What religion is that?
I think it’s just self appointed religious blowhards who oppose reproductive rights, not scriptures or Jesus or anything like that.

Which rock have you been living under?

When somebody says "My religion tells me that X is forbidden", it is a rare and irrelevant coincidence if X is forbidden by their holy books, or was forbidden (or even mentioned) by the legendary figureheads or founders of that religion.

What they mean by "My religion tells me..." is always "The self appointed blowhards who currently dominate my sect tell me...".

That they typically fail to understand this is no reason for us to make the same error of comprehension.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Why is denial of abortion so important to men?

It's mostly Christianity/Abrahamic religions that are to blame for this. I don't blame men specifically, at least it's more complicated than just "men". I doubt it would be as difficult to pass abortion measures if religious fundamentalists weren't around to stop it.

 

[Politesse]

Why is denial of abortion so important to men?

It's mostly Christianity/Abrahamic religions that are to blame for this. I don't blame men specifically, at least it's more complicated than just "men". I doubt it would be as difficult to pass abortion measures if religious fundamentalists weren't around to stop it.

Women are typically more religious than men, though, so why would this drive a gender divide?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

children were the property of the father

Or their mother's master, if she was enslaved.

Being a woman, either she was chattel or simply didn't matter.
Married. Slave. ?
What was the difference between them in the day?
Tom

Married: The baby is the property of the father.
Slave: The baby is the property of the master, even if it's not possible for them to be the father.

 

[Axulus]

The momentum has been in Trump's favor. A lot of people said him going off track at the debate talking about migrants eating pets, his grievances, and a dark picture of America was a losing strategy. Trump said F U I know better, and he is right. What this fucking stupid country wants to hear is that migrants are evil and poison and need the military to round all of them up and deport them, the dept of justice and the government in general is corrupt and Trump needs to go in and destroy all who oppose him, the leftists are evil and need the military sent after them and Trump is a big victim. It's a winning message and Trump proves it over and over again.

Presidential Election Winner 2024

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Trump odds up to 57.5% now on Polymarket, a big jump from 45% about a month ago.

 

[SLD]

The momentum has been in Trump's favor. A lot of people said him going off track at the debate talking about migrants eating pets, his grievances, and a dark picture of America was a losing strategy. Trump said F U I know better, and he is right. What this fucking stupid country wants to hear is that migrants are evil and poison and need the military to round all of them up and deport them, the dept of justice and the government in general is corrupt and Trump needs to go in and destroy all who oppose him, the leftists are evil and need the military sent after them and Trump is a big victim. It's a winning message and Trump proves it over and over again.

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Trump odds up to 57.5% now on Polymarket, a big jump from 45% about a month ago.

Yeah. I once said that the only way to defeat Trump is to let him win. And then watch him utterly fail. Unfortunately I think the democrats would rescue him . . . for the good of the country. Pansies.

 

[Axulus]

Not looking good at all

 

[laughing dog]

I expect a blitz of negative Trump ads in the coming weeks.

 

[Elixir]

Polls may or may not be reliable. If the survey showing 9% of registered Republicans voting for Harris is even remotely accurate, Trump is in trouble.
I think there is likely a lot of bias built into the polling process. I would not be surprised if the polls are only reflecting the preferences of people who respond to polls, and if that is significantly variant from the aggregate preferences of all voters.

 

[Axulus]

Polls may or may not be reliable. If the survey showing 9% of registered Republicans voting for Harris is even remotely accurate, Trump is in trouble.
I think there is likely a lot of bias built into the polling process. I would not be surprised if the polls are only reflecting the preferences of people who respond to polls, and if that is significantly variant from the aggregate preferences of all voters.

While true, Trump is polling better right now than he did in both 2016 and 2020 on this date. As well, he ended up doing better than the polls suggested both times. Not a good sign.