Breakdown In Civil Order

[laughing dog]

And that requires multitudes if examples because…..?

Why does this forum have a "Police Misconduct" thread?
Tom

When you feel the urge to respond, slowly exhale, think for at least an hour, then try it.

 

[Gospel]

The ongoing posts of police misconduct contrasts sharply with posted instances of civilian misconduct, not in their occurrence, but rather in the widespread denial and lack of acknowledgement of the former.

There I said it.

 

[TomC]

There I said it.

It doesn't make much sense, but you did say it.
Kudos.

If you feel the urge to respond, slowly exhale, think for at least an hour, then try it.

Oh well. I'm not holding my breath.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

It doesn't make much sense, but you did say it.
Kudos.

What about it doesn't make sense?

 

[Politesse]

What bugs me is that complaining is ALL they are doing. It's pointless to clutch your pearls over the latest crime blotter but then refuse to do anything about these pervasive problems, or to only sanction methods of "solving" crime that we know are ineffective.

 

[laughing dog]

There I said it.

It doesn't make much sense, but you did say it.
Kudos.

If you feel the urge to respond, slowly exhale, think for at least an hour, then try it.

Oh well. I'm not holding my breath.
Tom

Ah, confirmation of an Oscar Wilde observation that was made about remarriage is valid in other contexts.

 

[Tigers!]

But your response does not explain this obsession with the need to continually bring new instances of “civil disorder”. The point has been made.

Perhaps new posts are continually added because the point has not been made i.e the instances of "civil disorder" are increasing not decreasing. If the instances go down then the posts about it will decrease.

 

[bilby]

But your response does not explain this obsession with the need to continually bring new instances of “civil disorder”. The point has been made.

Perhaps new posts are continually added because the point has not been made i.e the instances of "civil disorder" are increasing not decreasing. If the instances go down then the posts about it will decrease.

The rate of posting here is decoupled from the rate at which "civil disorder" is reported in the media, and that rate itself is decoupled from the rate at which such disorder actually occurs.

At both points, the rate is massively skewed by people with an agenda to make disorder more prominent; Disorder is exciting, scary, and supportive of our prejudices, so it is a great way to sell media coverage ("If it bleeds, it leads"); And re-posting this stuff here isn't being done by members without some kind of point to make, so it would be incredibly foolish to assume that it isn't being done at least in part to give an unwarranted prominence to stories of disorder - whether or not the poster is consciously aware of their bias.

Humans evolved in a world in which news was almost entirely local. If violence was happening, it either was an existential threat, or it didn't get heard about at all.

The modern global news media has leveraged that "baked in" assumption to use our (quite sensible) response of heightened attention to existential threat to create a cycle of dependency on news coverage of violent and scary stories, despite most of these being completely irrelevant to us by dint of occurring too far away to matter to us personally.

If someone is found stabbed on my street, I can reasonably be scared. If they are found in my suburb, maybe then, too. But on the other side of town? Or of the state? Or of the country? Or of the world? Reported violence in those places still triggers the evolved response of heightened awareness, anxiety, fear, and a feeling that I must take action. But that response isn't actually helpful to me; Just to the media outlets who want my money (or to sell my attention to their advertisers).

We are being cynically manipulated by billionaires who want us to make them richer, and are happy to frighten us to achieve that goal.

Whether we embrace the manipulation, or reject it, is up to us. As long as we are smart enough to be aware that it's occurring.

A news story about something happening in my immediate community is worthy of my notice. The worth of such stories declines dramatically with distance, though; And it takes considerable effort to persuade oneself to completely ignore the valueless reports that are from far outside my immediate circle.

There may or may not be a decline in civil order in Seattle, or in certain parts of Seattle; But this is not an indication of a general decline worldwide, nor is it a cause for fear - unless and until you are in those parts of Seattle that are affected.

 

[Patooka]

There I said it.

It doesn't make much sense, but you did say it.
Kudos.

If you feel the urge to respond, slowly exhale, think for at least an hour, then try it.

Oh well. I'm not holding my breath.
Tom

Police should be held to a higher standard of conduct than the typical citizen. That should be obvious. I don't by into the narrative that sensitive cops are the problem either. The bent cops don't give a fuck about your problems. If you think a police force full of Chauvins will reduce the amount of smashed windows you are very much mistaken.

 

[cycomiko]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs, after the city's officials chose not to make public drug use illegal. Earlier this month, the Seattle City Council voted not to pass legislation that would have allowed the City Attorney's Office to prosecute public drug use cases. New pictures show homeless people openly abusing drugs on the streets of the Washington state city. In one, a man can be seen using a hypodermic needle to inject drugs into his hand while propped outside a liquor store.

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

Seattle City Council Passes Drug Law

Did the Daily Fail update you on the latest city council vote? I know you were worried about the dystopian nightmare in Seattle. Now the city can prosecute drug possession so the problem should be solved.

Thanks Newsom! Way to go Brandon!

 

[Elixir]

Thanks Newsom! Way to go Brandon!

Ya sure, way to pretend this effects Santa Monica!

 

[Emily Lake]

What bugs me is that complaining is ALL they are doing. It's pointless to clutch your pearls over the latest crime blotter but then refuse to do anything about these pervasive problems, or to only sanction methods of "solving" crime that we know are ineffective.

Pray tell... what exactly are our resident posters supposed to do about it?

 

[Tigers!]

What bugs me is that complaining is ALL they are doing. It's pointless to clutch your pearls over the latest crime blotter but then refuse to do anything about these pervasive problems, or to only sanction methods of "solving" crime that we know are ineffective.

Pray tell... what exactly are our resident posters supposed to do about it?

Lie back and think of England.

 

[Tigers!]

The modern global news media has leveraged that "baked in" assumption to use our (quite sensible) response of heightened attention to existential threat to create a cycle of dependency on news coverage of violent and scary stories, despite most of these being completely irrelevant to us by dint of occurring too far away to matter to us personally.

If someone is found stabbed on my street, I can reasonably be scared. If they are found in my suburb, maybe then, too. But on the other side of town? Or of the state? Or of the country? Or of the world? Reported violence in those places still triggers the evolved response of heightened awareness, anxiety, fear, and a feeling that I must take action. But that response isn't actually helpful to me; Just to the media outlets who want my money (or to sell my attention to their advertisers).

Great. Can people take that advice about Trump and just shut up about him?

 

[lostone]

People in the US are scared to death of violent crime that simply does not exist on the scale they think it does. My neighborhood is awash in night lights so bright you have to shut your windows at night to block out all the light. You'd think violent criminals were testing the locks on the doors every twenty minutes or so. We have massively over-reacted to a non-existent problem. A little reasonable prudence is all that is needed for home safety.

We have, however, had a problem in public spaces like our subway system parking lots where loosely organized gangs of thugs forcibly robbed commuters in the parking lots a few years ago.

Even small towns and rural areas have unique problems of their own. We gave up on raising chickens on a small scale on our farm in the 1950s because they kept getting stolen. Your neighbors are often the problem. Not gangs of strangers.

 

[bilby]

The modern global news media has leveraged that "baked in" assumption to use our (quite sensible) response of heightened attention to existential threat to create a cycle of dependency on news coverage of violent and scary stories, despite most of these being completely irrelevant to us by dint of occurring too far away to matter to us personally.

If someone is found stabbed on my street, I can reasonably be scared. If they are found in my suburb, maybe then, too. But on the other side of town? Or of the state? Or of the country? Or of the world? Reported violence in those places still triggers the evolved response of heightened awareness, anxiety, fear, and a feeling that I must take action. But that response isn't actually helpful to me; Just to the media outlets who want my money (or to sell my attention to their advertisers).

Great. Can people take that advice about Trump and just shut up about him?

Of course they can.

Most won't. But they can.

 

[TSwizzle]

Macarthur Park, a famous Los Angeles landmark that was a jewel in the crown of this city, turned into a cesspit;

Fifty dollars a day. That’s how much Elliot, a 24-year-old living on the streets of MacArthur Park, says he must come up with to avoid fentanyl withdrawals, a debilitating pain that “feels like dying.” For someone with no phone, no home, no job and no more possessions than can fit into a backpack, this is no easy task. So Elliot, like many others battling addiction, makes money for fentanyl by selling shoplifted goods to street vendors around MacArthur Park. The Southern California News Group interviewed Elliot, dozens of other people who use fentanyl, business owners, residents, LAPD personnel, homeless outreach workers, and medical professionals over several months, discovering how the intertwined crises of homelessness, addiction and petty theft have made MacArthur Park an epicenter of a deadly epidemic. Overdoses are a daily occurrence in the area, says Councilmember Eunisses Hernandez, who represents the neighborhood.
At a county level, the synthetic opioid was responsible for 1,504 fatal overdoses in 2021, a 1,280% increase from 109 overdoses in 2016, according to the most-recent data available from the county’s Department of Public Health.

News

Hernandez is an actual moron, possibly a retard. There are "non profit" agencies that work the area who supervise the junkies taking their drugs and are on standby to help in the event of an overdose. I remember when the police and sheriff departments would put yellow tape around basketball courts, play equipment and fill in skate parks because of the risk an adolescent may get covid. We are governed ruled by morons.

 

[Gospel]

What bugs me is that complaining is ALL they are doing. It's pointless to clutch your pearls over the latest crime blotter but then refuse to do anything about these pervasive problems, or to only sanction methods of "solving" crime that we know are ineffective.

Pray tell... what exactly are our resident posters supposed to do about it?

As the previous post suggests, contributing potential solutions would be more beneficial than offering succinct, tabloid-style comments. This platform is designed for discussion, not just for posting brief remarks. Solutions can be valuable, particularly for individuals like me who actively engage with real-life community work. I have shared these ideas with both community activists and law enforcement. If you're neither seeking to gain nor gaining anything from this platform, it raises the question of why you're here.

 

[Swammerdami]

Homeless people have been pictured slumped over in the streets of Seattle and openly shooting up drugs ...

Daily Mail

What kind of hellish dystopian nightmare do these dimwits want to get to before someone sees sense and puts a stop to it?

You get what you Google Search for. "Tell me bad things about blue-leaning states" or are the search terms more subtle than that? Do you have a News-Push set up to alert you whenever it's cool in Santa Monica, or do you have to manually check it every day?

I typed "oxycodone use by state" and was directed to this graphic.
The following is statistical FACT, not cherry-picked anecdote.
There were exactly nine states that had at least 1.07X as many oxycodone prescriptions as residents in 2012:

Alabama​

Arkansas​

Kentucky​

Indiana​

Louisiana​

Mississippi​

Oklahoma​

Tennessee​

West Virginia​

What do these nine states have in common? (This question will be easy for well-informed American political junkies. Please don't spoil the answer unless you're a foreigner or in a right-wing bubble.)

 

[Tigers!]

There were exactly nine states that had at least 1.07X as many oxycodone prescriptions as residents in 2012:

Alabama​

Arkansas​

Kentucky​

Indiana​

Louisiana​

Mississippi​

Oklahoma​

Tennessee​

West Virginia​

What do these nine states have in common? (This question will be easy for well-informed American political junkies. Please don't spoil the answer unless you're a foreigner or in a right-wing bubble.)

Too many letters in their names?